NBA Draft

[Clones85']

No chance. I know that time makes people forget how good some players were but does anyone here really feel like he's better than Stinson? Curt didn't get drafted for exactly the same reason DG won't get drafted, he can't shoot.

I love Curtis Stinson but yes, Diante Garrett is better than Stinson. Remember this, Stinson wasn't a PG at ISU and that is his only chance of playing in the NBA. He has to make it as a PG as the NBA doesn't take 6'1 shooting guards with average shots.

DG is quicker, a better passer, dribbler, taller, longer, a better defender, and more athletic. They are both average shooters and Stinson is definitely tougher. Oh and DG can play 40 minutes and not get tired

 

[Kyle]

I think the fact that he's so skinny won't help. I give him almost no chance to be drafted but slightly more than 0% to make a team as an undrafted free agent. Fred can only help.

I agree. His shot is not of NBA quality, and I don't think he's big enough to be a defensive specialist in the NBA. I don't think he is a better pro prospect than Blaylock and Stinson were. I think he ends up in Europe somewhere, and hopefully is able to make a decent living playing there.

 

[ce1]

No chance. I know that time makes people forget how good some players were but does anyone here really feel like he's better than Stinson? Curt didn't get drafted for exactly the same reason DG won't get drafted, he can't shoot.

Yep, i believe he's better than Stinson.

 

[xboxfever]

Are you people serious? He is not as good as Stinson. Stinson was an amazing scorer.He could single handedly take over games and win in clutch situations. If he was 2-3 inches taller, he would be on a roster in the NBA.

 

[jahfg]

Diante has great handle. He dribbles a little high. I think he is having a better senior year than Stinson's junior year. It will be an uphill battle, but I hope Diante gets a chance at the NBA.

 

[Clones85']

Are you people serious? He is not as good as Stinson. Stinson was an amazing scorer.He could single handedly take over games and win in clutch situations. If he was 2-3 inches taller, he would be on a roster in the NBA.

But he is not 2-3 inches taller! He is a 6'1 SG trying to play PG to get into the league. DG is a 6'4 PG with a wingspan of a SF.

And yes, yes he is as good as Stinson. Better imo.

Did you not watch the Baylor game? DG single handedly took over the game. He couldn't be stopped. They put Walton on him, Dunn, Jones, and it didn't matter. He got around them and Baylor had to help. When they did he kicked to Scotty or JVB and we killed them. DG has taken over many games this year.

 

[cyatheart]

No chance. I know that time makes people forget how good some players were but does anyone here really feel like he's better than Stinson? Curt didn't get drafted for exactly the same reason DG won't get drafted, he can't shoot.

Yes, last 3 games, lot better than Stinson. Lot quicker, probably just as good a shooter, gets to the rim, better defender. Clearly not as strong, but I would bet DG is stronger than he looks.

 

[Cyclonepride]

The NBA draft is so small that even really good players don't get drafted, so I would say no. I'll bet he gets a shot at trying out for a team and signing as a free agent though. His ability to get to the bucket is outstanding, and he has good height for a point guard. Don't know if he has the muscle to stay in the league though.

 

[CyLoboClone]

rondo has little game, but he sure tries harder than most and can pass the heck out of the rock.

 

[brokenloginagain]

no one knows more about and loves the nba like cyclone fans!

 

[xboxfever]

But he is not 2-3 inches taller! He is a 6'1 SG trying to play PG to get into the league. DG is a 6'4 PG with a wingspan of a SF.

And yes, yes he is as good as Stinson. Better imo.

Did you not watch the Baylor game? DG single handedly took over the game. He couldn't be stopped. They put Walton on him, Dunn, Jones, and it didn't matter. He got around them and Baylor had to help. When they did he kicked to Scotty or JVB and we killed them. DG has taken over many games this year.

So you think Diante is better than Stinson because of 1 game? What about all the games Stinson took over in his 3 years? Do you not remember the NIT final 4 game when Stinson and Quincy Douby were battling each other back and forth? Their was huge buzz around both of those players leaving early for the NBA draft as both were freshman. That game catapulted both into big names around college basketball. Before Stinson started his sophomore year, their was all kinds of hype from SI, Sporting News, and ESPN about how big a season he was going to have and lead ISU to an NCAA appearance. That happened, and their was talk of him leaving again. He came back, the next season his draft status fell and ISU was not very good. Stinson was a better player and it shouldn't be a question.

Diante has elevated his game this season, and if he had this kind of coaching his whole career, he probably would have ended up a better player than Stinson. But he is not. We are all loving what Diantes has done this season, and without him on the team, this team would be no where near where they are right now. Let's hope he can keep this high level of play and lead this team to a post season birth. Everyone on this team had exceeded my expectations, and I look forward to the rest of the season and beyond.

 

[Cyclonin22]

Wasn't I mocked about 2 months ago for suggesting this? Guess it feels good to be driving the bandwagon, hop on everyone!:twitcy::twitcy:

 

[ironsam]

No chance. I know that time makes people forget how good some players were but does anyone here really feel like he's better than Stinson? Curt didn't get drafted for exactly the same reason DG won't get drafted, he can't shoot.

I think Stinson was much better all around by his last college year than Diante is with his. If Stinson stayed around for a 4th year and had a better coach (e.g. Hoiberg), who knows how things would have went.

Anyway, Stinson was a much better penetrator/finisher and really rebounded quite well for his position. I think his defense was more solid than Diante, partly due to his strength. Also, Stinson isn't exactly slow. Seems like he broke lots of defender's ankles while he was here. As for play making, Stinson was very good, but that wasn't his primary role as Will Blalock was the PG (btw, Stinson averaged 11 assists per game last year in the D-League). When you consider how many of Diante's assists come from Scott and Jamie hitting 3PTers, I really think Diante's play making skills are inflated a bit. I mean, it's not that hard to walk the ball up the court and swing it over to a 6'11" guy in the corner. ISU is #31 in the nation in 3FG%, but not because of Diante; he's just the beneficiary of good shooting teammates.

Check Stinson's D-League stats. Sure it's not the NBA, but it's much tougher than the Big 12. NBA Development League: Curtis Stinson Playerfile

I can't see Diante putting up numbers like that with that good of competition.

 

[Skyh13]

I wouldn't have given DG any shot at the NBA, but he has seriously impressed me this year.

He's better on offense than people are saying here... he's not a huge scorer, no, but he's had an incredibly surprising step-back 14 footer that's been very accurate, it seems like. Plus, his 3-point shot has been more accurate this year. I still don't want him shooting that when we have two 50% 3-point guys on the court... but still. He can do it.

The fact that he is an absolute rail doesn't help me imagine him amongst the rest of the NBA, but the boy has some skills and if he continues to work hard I think he could be a serviceable backup. Hoping for the best for him.

 

[Rickybaby]

I think Stinson was much better all around by his last college year than Diante is with his. If Stinson stayed around for a 4th year and had a better coach (e.g. Hoiberg), who knows how things would have went.

Anyway, Stinson was a much better penetrator/finisher and really rebounded quite well for his position. I think his defense was more solid than Diante, partly due to his strength. Also, Stinson isn't exactly slow. Seems like he broke lots of defender's ankles while he was here. As for play making, Stinson was very good, but that wasn't his primary role as Will Blalock was the PG (btw, Stinson averaged 11 assists per game last year in the D-League). When you consider how many of Diante's assists come from Scott and Jamie hitting 3PTers, I really think Diante's play making skills are inflated a bit. I mean, it's not that hard to walk the ball up the court and swing it over to a 6'11" guy in the corner. ISU is #31 in the nation in 3FG%, but not because of Diante; he's just the beneficiary of good shooting teammates.

Check Stinson's D-League stats. Sure it's not the NBA, but it's much tougher than the Big 12. NBA Development League: Curtis Stinson Playerfile

I can't see Diante putting up numbers like that with that good of competition.

Yep.

I wouldn't have given DG any shot at the NBA, but he has seriously impressed me this year.

He's better on offense than people are saying here... he's not a huge scorer, no, but he's had an incredibly surprising step-back 14 footer that's been very accurate, it seems like. Plus, his 3-point shot has been more accurate this year. I still don't want him shooting that when we have two 50% 3-point guys on the court... but still. He can do it.

The fact that he is an absolute rail doesn't help me imagine him amongst the rest of the NBA, but the boy has some skills and if he continues to work hard I think he could be a serviceable backup. Hoping for the best for him.

Nope, to the bolded part.

There is another thing that a lot people here don't recognize or want to admit. I am referring to the magic Coach Hoiberg has performed this year into transforming DG into a better 3 pt shooter. It is a myth of course because DG has NOT improved his 3 pt shooting this year. In fact, his 3 point shooting percentage is actually WORSE than it was last year. And where do I get my facts ... the cyclones own web site which keeps track of stats on our players. Here are a couple of links:

This year: Iowa State - Season Statistics
Last year: Iowa State - Season Statistics

For those who don't want to traverse the links: last year DG's 3 pt shooting percentage was .352 this year it is .308. So it has gone DOWN not UP. The reality is that DG is not a good outside shooter and probably will never be. Does that mean he cannot be an effective PG? Obviously not; because he is doing very well this year. But it does mean that DG has some limitations in his game ... limitations that would make it harder for him to succeed at the next level. Harder yes, impossible no.

 

[Clones85']

So you think Diante is better than Stinson because of 1 game? What about all the games Stinson took over in his 3 years? Do you not remember the NIT final 4 game when Stinson and Quincy Douby were battling each other back and forth? Their was huge buzz around both of those players leaving early for the NBA draft as both were freshman. That game catapulted both into big names around college basketball. Before Stinson started his sophomore year, their was all kinds of hype from SI, Sporting News, and ESPN about how big a season he was going to have and lead ISU to an NCAA appearance. That happened, and their was talk of him leaving again. He came back, the next season his draft status fell and ISU was not very good. Stinson was a better player and it shouldn't be a question.

Diante has elevated his game this season, and if he had this kind of coaching his whole career, he probably would have ended up a better player than Stinson. But he is not. We are all loving what Diantes has done this season, and without him on the team, this team would be no where near where they are right now. Let's hope he can keep this high level of play and lead this team to a post season birth. Everyone on this team had exceeded my expectations, and I look forward to the rest of the season and beyond.

No I think that DG is playing better right now than Stinson did at any stretch of his career. Stinson had a better Iowa State career, and their is no arguing that. He was much better in college than DG. But that isn't the point of the thread is it? The question is can DG make the NBA. You say if Stinson can't make it than neither can Diante. That could not be further from the truth. Who was a better college basketball player, Sharon Collins or Rajon Rondo? Collins. But who is the better pro prospect? Rondo. And why? Because he is LOOOONGG. His game is more suited for the NBA's than Collins. Same for DG. He has a style fit for the NBA where Stinson's doesn't. Same reason why Fizer never did well in the league while guys like Blake Griffin thrive. Both were about the same in college. Really dominant.

As for play making, Stinson was very good, but that wasn't his primary role as Will Blalock was the PG (btw, Stinson averaged 11 assists per game last year in the D-League). When you consider how many of Diante's assists come from Scott and Jamie hitting 3PTers, I really think Diante's play making skills are inflated a bit. I mean, it's not that hard to walk the ball up the court and swing it over to a 6'11" guy in the corner. ISU is #31 in the nation in 3FG%, but not because of Diante; he's just the beneficiary of good shooting teammates.

Check Stinson's D-League stats. Sure it's not the NBA, but it's much tougher than the Big 12. NBA Development League: Curtis Stinson Playerfile

I can't see Diante putting up numbers like that with that good of competition.

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. JVB and Scotty are the beneficiary of a great PG right now. Not the other way around. Baylor game is a great example. They had nobody who could stay in front of DG. So help had to come and JVB and Scotty got great looks. Sure they are great shooters but check out Scotty's # here

2009- 42% from 3 point land
2010- 50% from 3 point land

Vanderbekens

2008- 40%
2010- 45%

Do you think that they just got that much better at shooting? I don't. DG and Fred are doing a great job of getting Scotty and JVB into spots were they can be effective

As for Curtis, he is doing a great job with the energy, but have you been to a game? They don't play defense and the average score is around 110-105. A lot of points and minutes help him get the 8.5 assists he is averaging

 

[jahfg]

Yep.



Nope, to the bolded part.

There is another thing that a lot people here don't recognize or want to admit. I am referring to the magic Coach Hoiberg has performed this year into transforming DG into a better 3 pt shooter. It is a myth of course because DG has NOT improved his 3 pt shooting this year. In fact, his 3 point shooting percentage is actually WORSE than it was last year. And where do I get my facts ... the cyclones own web site which keeps track of stats on our players. Here are a couple of links:

This year: Iowa State - Season Statistics
Last year: Iowa State - Season Statistics

For those who don't want to traverse the links: last year DG's 3 pt shooting percentage was .352 this year it is .308. So it has gone DOWN not UP. The reality is that DG is not a good outside shooter and probably will never be. Does that mean he cannot be an effective PG? Obviously not; because he is doing very well this year. But it does mean that DG has some limitations in his game ... limitations that would make it harder for him to succeed at the next level. Harder yes, impossible no.

While I agree that Diante's shooting improvement is overstated on this board, I have no doubt that his willingness to shoot the three has helped the rest of his game. Last year teams would back off of him and clog up the lane. Now they have to guard him which allows him to be a more effective penetrator. Also, the confidence in his shot, even if it isn't going in as much, has spread to the rest of his game. Diante has the swagger for 40 minutes that we could only see glimpses of in years past. Confidence can do wonders in the game of basketball.

 

[mackm12]

D-league is DGs best bet. He is a niche player. His talents will work great with certain teams and others he won't out with. Give him a season in the NBDL and he could have some serious potential. If he can improve his shooting and stop being so streaky and unpredictable with his shooting % he may have a pretty decent chance of playing in the NBA. 0% chance he's drafted but 50% he plays D-League ball and someday in the Pros