Pro teams carry 2 or 3 qb's so they all need to work on game plans and are only a play or two away from being in the game. We carry 8 and the last 5 or 6 have no chance of getting in the game, so could be working on handling snaps and trick plays. One could argue that your back-up punter is only one injury away from being in the game, so he should be spending a lot more time on his punting than the 7th and 8th team qb's working on their game. I don't want to see Kuehl try another pass, he's probably been traumatized enough from this one.
My issue with the last play
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Then there will be a botched snap, and people will ***** about why don't we have a holder who has more practice time as the holder. :twitcy:
All that I will say is i LOVE the call but whatever happened to the days of the qb holding I remember Montana holding in the Super Bowl.
I think the original question is a good one and I would be curious to know why the move to punters holding instead of QB's, regardless of who it is though in that situation - strong wind in your face, first action of the game, etc and it is no sure thing someone else completes the pass - in fact we have seen many times our starter miss what appear to be wide open throws like that...so it goes, great game - moving on now
They ran this play a number of times in practice. If Kuehle (sp?) could not execute the play, it would have shown up in practice. Obviously he did, or Coach would not have put him in that situation.
Simply not true. The shot gun snap has the least in common of the three extended snaps. The objective of the shot gun snap is to get the ball to the QB above his knees and below his shoulders. There is not a premium placed on velocity or precise location. Get the ball to the QB without disrupting his timing and get focused on the more important job of blocking a DL or a LB.
Both the deep punt snap and the place kick snap have to be delivered with the maximum velocity possible. Coaches normally select long snappers who can fire the ball back in a timeframe that minimizes the possibility of a blocked kick. It's not that easy to coach velocity just as it's not that easy to coach all pitchers to throw a 95 mph fastball. Select based on velocity and coach for technique and accuracy.
There is a simple reason why coaches that earn their living coaching special teams (more true as you go up the level of competition) prefer to use punters for holders - they get the most experience and reps of anyone on the team at catching a high speed snap and doing something with it in the shortest period of time.
I would think most coaches prefer that the snap to the qb in the shotgun get there pretty quickly to give the qb more time to get a grip on the ball and look over the field. I would certainly say the ball should get to the qb 3-4 yards behind center quicker than to a punter 12-15 yards away from center. I've heard all the reasons to have the punter as a holder, I just don't think it makes sense when you could have a qb buried deep in the depth chart working on snaps, with the luxury of having a guy that can make plays in case of a bad snap or fake. Obviously teams like Oklahoma and others think the same.
Once again, the shot gun snap uses a totally different technique. It's a one hand grip and almost all arm motion. The snap to a holder or punter utilizes a throwing hand and a guide hand. The key component is to fire your hips and explode backwards to generate the needed velocity. This leaves the snapper in a vulnerable position with his head down which is why the defense is not allowed to line up directly over the snapper. The center in a shot gun snap needs to be able to explode forward to block a defender. They keep their head up and most are coached to deliver a jab blow with the off hand against the defender while simultaneously flipping the ball back to the QB.
My comments are not just my opinion or what I would like to see. They are on based on demonstrations and gaining an understanding of the techniques from a couple of guys who were successful at snapping on the collegiate level.
