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Monday Night with a Teacher

ruxCYtable said:
I've said before, only half-joking, teachers/principals need to be able to beat the **** out of kids again. My principal in elementary had a paddle mounted on his wall with notches in it and we were scared to death of that ******. Schools need to get back to telling parents and kids this is how it is and if you don't like it go somewhere else. The coddling has gotten completely out of control. My next door neighbor is a HS principal. He's caught kids red-handed doing **** and the parents will come in and look him right in the eye and tell him they didn't do it.
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When I was in grade school all the teacher had to do was ask if we would like her to get Mr. O'Neil.
Trust me, NO ONE wanted that.
 
KnappShack said:
Back in the day when America was great and whatnot the school took bathroom stalls away. So any kid who had to take a dump did it in front of God and country

I have to think the **** to kid ratio was amazingly low.

When I was in Middle School our class drove multiple teachers out of the profession. So I'm always pretty skeptical that everything is getting worse.
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When I was a freshman in Ankeny, our shenanigans led a math teacher to a nervous breakdown. When he came back from his leave, no one let up.
One Sunday morning, mom showed me his obituary. He shot himself.

At the next high school, we drove out a math teacher every year. I'm not sure worse is really the thing. It's just that the youth are "always worse."
 
agcy68 said:
My wife is an elementary teacher. During our evening conversations, I get to hear about her day which usually centers around kids in school. Most nights it varies, but lately Monday nights have been a lot of examples of deprogramming kids from their weekend excesses, especially negotiating.

I don't know exactly what happens at home with these kids, and it isn't every kid, but there must be a lot of negotiating at home. I can only imagine that maybe parents say its bedtime and the kids negotiate to stay up later, or maybe push back on what is for supper, or maybe don't want to do chores, or when to get up in the morning, or want a snack before dinner, or... but - holy cow - Mondays for her end up being a lot of retraining kids on the expectations of being in a class room with a few 'because I said so' sprinkled in just to keep the classroom on track.
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Mrs. Spy is in the same field (2nd grade) and we have the same routine after work. This is the first year in dealing with the kids that were shut out of the schools entirely in the latter part of their kindergarten year and may or may or may not have done remote learning for the entirety of first grade. Not everyone is used to being in a classroom setting and it's taking a long time to adjust. Thankfully, no major attitude problems, just lots and lots of chattiness. We kept our kids in school full time and I'm so glad we did.
 
I went to school in the 80' and 90's, in small town Iowa. We had school vandalism, students B&E into the school, students punching teachers, police called to the school, and all of that stuff. Shoot, when I was in 5th or 6th grade, some kids set fire to a school building and burned it to the ground, destroying multiple school buses. This was in rural, North Central Iowa. If that sort of thing happened now, it would be a huge story.

I don't think kids are better or worse now. It's just our perspective that's different.
 
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One of the biggest pains when my kids were coming up through elementary and middle school (mostly) was their exposure to kids who clearly had sh*tty, sh*tty parents. We were light years from perfect as parents ourselves, but there are some who are just miserable at parenting and the behavior of their kids at school can absolutely rub off on others. At an elementary open house thing one mom actually said to us "we never make our son do anything he doesn't want to do." Yeah, that's healthy.
 
Gonzo said:
One of the biggest pains when my kids were coming up through elementary and middle school (mostly) was their exposure to kids who clearly had sh*tty, sh*tty parents. We were light years from perfect as parents ourselves, but there are some who are just miserable at parenting and the behavior of their kids at school can absolutely rub off on others. At an elementary open house thing one mom actually said to us "we never make our son do anything he doesn't want to do." Yeah, that's healthy.
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I am sure his boss someday will have the same attitude.
 
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I am sure that every generation has their challenges - maybe this isn't new. However, in the last decade or so, the addition of Ipads and social media has had an impact. If nothing else,
1- parents aren't giving their kids the attention they need at night. My wife can see it. She knows who is getting attention at night and who is being ignored. Some parents don't realize they have some responsibility to keep track of their kids homework and schedules. Follow up email doesn't help. At a higher level - parents don't care about their kids and their development.
2 - Even beyond the standard issues of kids on devices, kids who spend their night on ipad or with xbox get really used to getting to chose whatever they want to do, they get immediate feedback for their decisions, and they don't have to be responsible for their decisions on the device (IE extra life or redo the game). No compromise needed, no patience needed just play. THAT isn't the real world and shows up in the classroom.
 
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agcy68 said:
I am sure that every generation has their challenges - maybe this isn't new. However, in the last decade or so, the addition of Ipads and social media has had an impact. If nothing else,
1- parents aren't giving their kids the attention they need at night. My wife can see it. She knows who is getting attention at night and who is being ignored. Some parents don't realize they have some responsibility to keep track of their kids homework and schedules. Follow up email doesn't help. At a higher level - parents don't care about their kids and their development.
2 - Even beyond the standard issues of kids on devices, kids who spend their night on ipad or with xbox get really used to getting to chose whatever they want to do, they get immediate feedback for their decisions, and they don't have to be responsible for their decisions on the device (IE extra life or redo the game). No compromise needed, no patience needed just play. THAT isn't the real world and shows up in the classroom.
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Yep, we have one in our extended family. The daughter has told G-ma that mom doesn't have time to take her to her friend's house, help her practice volleyball, take her school shopping, etc., but then spends hours upon hours on Facebook.
 
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CycloneErik said:
When I was a freshman in Ankeny, our shenanigans led a math teacher to a nervous breakdown. When he came back from his leave, no one let up.
One Sunday morning, mom showed me his obituary. He shot himself.

At the next high school, we drove out a math teacher every year. I'm not sure worse is really the thing. It's just that the youth are "always worse."
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I do think that this generation is worse but it's mostly because the schools hands are completely tied. Kids are smart, if you give them an inch they will take a mile.
 
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Clonefan32 said:
I don't teach but I've coached a handful of my kids' teams. It's not a good feeling when you realize a kid legitimately just does not give a **** what you say. There's nothing quite like telling little Tommy to hustle over and having him look at you with that "the **** did you just say to me, old man?" look.

At risk of sounding all "back in the good ol' days", I can't imagine a young Clonefan32, or really anyone I knew for that matter, being so brazenly defiant. But at some point things shifted with kids defiance increasing and parents desire to do anything more than defend their child decreasing.
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Can anyone remind me when the original Bad News Bears came out? Was that not at least a reflection of some kids that existed in society at that time? Cmon, bad apples have been around as long as the older generation has claimed those bad apples didn't exist when they were kids. I grew up in the 80s and I remember some when I was growing up. The cause was the same reason then as it is now and always will be, dead beat parents. They have been around forever too.
 
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khardbored said:
My sister teaches at a Middle School in another state. She states that it became a cool thing to rip the soap dispensers off the wall in the bathrooms and film yourself doing it, then post it on TikTok. It got so bad they eventually locked all the bathrooms except 1 boys and 2 girls per building, and those are monitored at all times by an employee who stands outside and writes down the name of the person going in the bathroom, as well as when they went in and went out.
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I cannot imagine how many things I wouldn't have been allowed to do and how many chores I would be assigned at 5 in the morning had I done that. The school punishment would have been the least of my worries.

We don't have kids yet but we've discussed a lot of the struggles around devices both in terms of usage and when and what kids get exposed to. I have no idea how you're supposed to handle it in this day and age but my instincts say to expose them to a lot and help them understand which of those things are right and wrong. I've seen a lot of kids exposed to nothing until they're in high school or so and then they have no idea how to manage themselves.
 
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CycloneErik said:
That's all perception. They made movies in the 70s and 80s off the same perceptions and gave the same reasons.
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I can tell you this much. My father in law spent his entire career teaching and his last three years were the worst kids he had ever had. We aren't talking about one or two bad eggs here.

It's a snowball effect. If there are no repercussions the behavior only gets reinforced.
 
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Raising young people has and always will be one of the greatest challenges we face. Regardless of whether things are getting worse— or better— there’s one thing that must happen. Positions of authority must be on the same page and work together. That’s parents, admin, teachers, police, you name it. When those people don’t see eye to eye, the kids don’t stand a chance.
Say what you want about punishment. Won’t matter.
 
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Tre4ISU said:
I cannot imagine how many things I wouldn't have been allowed to do and how many chores I would be assigned at 5 in the morning had I done that. The school punishment would have been the least of my worries.

We don't have kids yet but we've discussed a lot of the struggles around devices both in terms of usage and when and what kids get exposed to. I have no idea how you're supposed to handle it in this day and age but my instincts say to expose them to a lot and help them understand which of those things are right and wrong. I've seen a lot of kids exposed to nothing until they're in high school or so and then they have no idea how to manage themselves.
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In the same boat with devices, but I'm pretty apprehensive about showing the kids a lot on the internet. Crazy sex and beheadings are off of the list, but I don't find Facebook or the Insta to be particularly good for a kid's mental health.

We're never more than 2 clicks away from a triple anal picture or the pic of a Vietcong getting shot in the head.

Not exactly sure how parents get in front of any of this.
 
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