Missouri Valley Style
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CycloneErik
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And we shot about 20% per game from three after Lucca left, so we really weren't very good there.
CycloneErik
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That is my favorite style of play. I don't even take the time to cheer for conference teams, but I take the time to cheer for Mizzou.
I haved used this analoy before so I apologize in advance. Early season tourneys, non conference games and post season tourneys give good mid majors schools a chance to be like a sniper using a bolt action rifle with a dialed in scope. However, using that analogy and expanding it to them competing a full season in a major conference.....it would be like them taking that same rifle to the front line where everyone is using fully auto weapons and spraying lead. Would you still get some hits......maybe....but you would be spending most of your time keeping your head down.
So although it was a great, great win......I think it stetch to say they could come into the Big Twelve and even finish in the top six. If you think I am mistaken.....ask our current coach.
So although it was a great, great win......I think it stetch to say they could come into the Big Twelve and even finish in the top six. If you think I am mistaken.....ask our current coach.
You do realize that this is the first time a team from the MVC has advanced to the Sweet 16 since 1979...right?!? And that was Indiana St. with Larry Bird. So, let's not go crazy with how great the MVC is. In fact, the list of mid majors in the Sweet 16 and beyond is typically very short.
This game proves only one thing...on any given night a less talented team can take down a more talented team. If UNI plays KU 10 times...KU wins 9. If UNI plays in the Big 12 they finish way below .500 in conference. This is not to take away from their great win last night.
If you think athleticism is overrated then you need to look at the teams that have been populating the Final Four over the last decade and look at the teams that will be there this year. Athleticism is not overrated.
100% agree with you on this. Did you see UNI melt under the press? When a team like UNI has very few good ballhandlers, why aren't you pressing them all over the court? Especially if you're Kansas and have the depth to expend that much energy on defense. I really hope we get back to the old running style we used to play in the Hilton magic days.
Congrats to UNI, that was an awesome win, and how embarrasing to be a Kansas fan. What a massive choke job, and watching Farokmawhetever do Kansas like he did to ISU made that loss feel so much better.
Im on the bandwagon for uni the rest of the tourny. Im not trying to bash them at all. But i highly doubt they make the tourny if they were in the big 12 conference with the players they have. Uni couldnt handle the full court pressure at the end of the game against kansas. What does missouri do the whole game? Can you really see them playing teams like oklahoma state? or kansas state teams that are relentless on the defensive end and pressure you the whole court? Uni is a good mv team. I just doubt they are better than the top half teams of the big 12.
MVC teams that made the sweet 16 in recent history:
2007 - Southern Illinois
2006 - Wichita State
2006 - Bradley
2002 - Southern Illinois
1999 - Missouri State
1995 - Tulsa
1994 - Tulsa
UNI finished 6th or 7th in in the MVC in 3-pt. shooting this year. They were certainly not one of the better teams in the conference in that regard.
I will go ahead and disagree with this. Is it that far out there to think that the top team in the Valley would finish in the top half of the Big 12?
The fact that our current coach has not been able to get us into the top half of the conference doesn't prove that much. UNI simply has a better team than we do. This is probably in large part because half of their players don't leave every year. During the Valley tournament Jacobson went 10 deep and did hockey-style five player line changes. We don't have that many scholarship players.
That's what I get for getting my information from ESPN SportsCenter!!
At any rate, the bottom line is very few teams from this conference make it to the Sweet 16...only 8 in almost two decades if your info is correct.
Glad to hear the 1994 is "recent history" by the way!
How Many Times Does UNI Beat KU?
The mid-major approach doesn't work at a BCS conference. UNI has a nice team and Jacobson has done an outstanding job- but the reality is if KU & UNI play 10x- UNI probably wins 1x. Yesterday just happened to be that 1x.
If you watched UNI vs. UNLV- I saw some of same defensive philosophies that Coach Mac adhere's to but almost cost UNI the UNLV game. In the MVC you can not guard all 5 players - give the weak link open shots and in the MVC he'll probably miss. In the Big 12, on average or better teams you can leave guys open and expect they'll miss the shot.
Jacobson has done a good coaching job, but the best thing he has done was develop a stable program. Something that McDermott developed for him at UNI. Look at UNI's team - Kajo(sp), Koch, Egleseder(sp), O'Rear have been around forever. He brings in a JUCO Farok(sp) from Kirkwood to fill a role. Jacobson has build a team- the sum is better than the parts.
Unfortunately- ISU's team last year was just parts. When your leader(Craig) is only interested in the points he can score and isn't willing to play defense or be physical what is the message to the rest of the team? Should we have expected Gilstrap, Dendy & Colvin to adopt a team approach when Craig didn't?
The mid-major approach doesn't work at a BCS conference. UNI has a nice team and Jacobson has done an outstanding job- but the reality is if KU & UNI play 10x- UNI probably wins 1x. Yesterday just happened to be that 1x.
If you watched UNI vs. UNLV- I saw some of same defensive philosophies that Coach Mac adhere's to but almost cost UNI the UNLV game. In the MVC you can not guard all 5 players - give the weak link open shots and in the MVC he'll probably miss. In the Big 12, on average or better teams you can leave guys open and expect they'll miss the shot.
Jacobson has done a good coaching job, but the best thing he has done was develop a stable program. Something that McDermott developed for him at UNI. Look at UNI's team - Kajo(sp), Koch, Egleseder(sp), O'Rear have been around forever. He brings in a JUCO Farok(sp) from Kirkwood to fill a role. Jacobson has build a team- the sum is better than the parts.
Unfortunately- ISU's team last year was just parts. When your leader(Craig) is only interested in the points he can score and isn't willing to play defense or be physical what is the message to the rest of the team? Should we have expected Gilstrap, Dendy & Colvin to adopt a team approach when Craig didn't?
I've said this all year, watching the tournament only reinforces my opinions. The recruiting red flag for me is when we recruit guys, and they are described as "great athletes" who need to develop their games. We end up with guys that can't shoot free throws, can't effectively handle the ball, don't have good post moves, don't have the instincts to make the extra pass, provide good help D, etc. A few spectactular dunks, and our fans go nuts with all our athletecism.
It seems like every team in the tournament has multiple basketball players who are can do alot of things. They don't have to be spectacular, or go for 25 and 10. Can anyone tell me who plays for Murray State? Or St. Mary's? If we had recruited any of those guys people would have been ******. But they all can shoot it, dribble it, bring it up the floor against the press. We need basketball players. If they can throw down a big dunk over Cole Aldrich that is a bonus.
It seems like every team in the tournament has multiple basketball players who are can do alot of things. They don't have to be spectacular, or go for 25 and 10. Can anyone tell me who plays for Murray State? Or St. Mary's? If we had recruited any of those guys people would have been ******. But they all can shoot it, dribble it, bring it up the floor against the press. We need basketball players. If they can throw down a big dunk over Cole Aldrich that is a bonus.
"I gave up on Iowa State Basketball this season when we lost to UNI." "Losing to them is just embarrassing." "Our program is a joke when you're losing to teams like UNI."
Hope all of these people feel a little bit better about losing to UNI when on 'any given day' anybody can beat anybody. That's what basketball is all about.
Congrats to UNI!
Hope all of these people feel a little bit better about losing to UNI when on 'any given day' anybody can beat anybody. That's what basketball is all about.
Congrats to UNI!
Because for nearly 10 years now, UNI has been a better team and program, and had much more success.
You do realize in the last ten years ISU has won the Big 12 twice and made it to the elite 8. This is UNI's 3 NCAA victory ever and first trip to the Sweet 16.
You make a great argument when you change one of the words I used.
I NEVER said we should feel "good". I said "better".
Feeling 'frustrated about a tough loss to an MVC team that also beat the #1 team in the nation to knock them out of the NCAA tounament in the second round'
is something I consider to be "feeling better about it" than:
Feeling 'like giving up on ISU basketball until Mac gets fired because clearly losing to a team in the MVC means our program is a joke."
Fixed. Not to take away from UNI but before Thursday, ISU still had one more NCAA victory more than they had the last 5 years.
10 years is a stretch. If you would have said 5, I would have agreed.
Starting in 1999-2000 through 2009-2010, ISU has 7 wins vs UNI, UNI has 4 wins vs ISU.
In the last 10 years, ISU has been to the NCAA tourny 3 times, Elite 8, second round, and first. And 2 time Big 12 champs.
Again, if you would have said last 5 years I wouldn't have even posted, because I would have agreed.
