My biggest fear is that the Captain America movie is going to stink and people will use the excuse that we arent ready for a black Captain America. I hope that I am wrong.
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Yeah, Zemo was another highlight of Falcon and the Winter Soldier. I too hope he returns. As for what I was referring to with all the ADR stuff on Falcon and the Winter Soldier, this was one of the better videos detailing it out from my memory.
Ultimately, its all each to their own. I'm happy when people enjoy things I don't or don't notice things that I do that bug me. Makes me wish I was them.
Good to hear your thoughts on Captain America 4 and that you enjoyed the movie. I hope I'm the same. I'll be sure to come back on here and post my thoughts after I eventually see it. Could be a bit due to a busy schedule ahead. Also good to hear you liked the CGI. I've read mixed opinions of it in reviews I've read so far. Some seem to think it was good while some seem to think it was bad. I don't always agree to general consensus.
You're gonna have the jackasses who say this and you're gonna have the jackasses who think it.
Its never the reason.
We (majority of movie goers) just want good movies that are worth the price of a ticket or buy.
This one was basically a turd from the start which sucks, I really wanted this one to be successful as it launches a bunch of storylines for the MCU. But the rewrites and production problems cursed it. Im sure its tolerable but wont be a rewatch for a lot of people.
Funny, I actually did watch that video, and forgot! I enjoy a lot of stuff from New Rockstar, thanks for linking that.
Appreciate you sharing your perspective. I don't mean to imply that everyone is a hater just for the sake of being a hater. For me, the "re-write" really didn't affect me and even thinking about it now I'm not like "oh damn that show should have been SO much better!"), and I have no doubt this stuff will continue to happen when things get this 'big'. Which also makes me extra appreciate projects like Guardians of the Galaxy and how air right those stories/movies are (I loved GOTG3 - except for Gunn's extremely stupid decision and explanation as to why Quill wouldn't wear his iconic mask anymore).
Well the movie was already deemed to stink long ago. The reviews were already written in ink awhile back. Many (most?) have been force-fed negative opinions on the movie for so long, I struggle to see any way it doesn't get slaughtered. Whether that has to do with a black Captain America, I don't know. But again, I enjoyed it. It's not some amazing superhero movie, but solid and a good time at the theater.
I think the Avengers had their successful moon shot in the Infinity Saga, and while they will go on, I expect them to recede from the scene until they ultimately reboot in the distant future. It's hard to approach that level of story telling and if you fail you are damaging to the overall brand.
I think Marvel will put more energy into Fantastic Four and X-Men world building for their feature films going forward. Both franchises have less to compete against when it comes to previous story lines. Casting is key, though. I do think I like the initial vibe the F4 sneak peak provided. You need more than just a different look though. They will keep making Spidey movies until Tom Holland tells them to stop.
It's a fire hose effect the past few years for sure. The thing about the way they started was they handpicked their top characters, combined them with well written introductory scripts, and rolled them out over time and built to the introduction of the big bad guy. A beginning, middle and end. Now they are just blasting it at viewers, the connection to the new characters just isn't there, and the effort to weave into a comprehensive story arc by connecting to Disney+ series is haphazard at best. In short, they tried to sub the background narrative work onto a paid streaming service and in doing so, lost a lot of the blockbuster appeal. I like a lot of what they've done as individual pieces, but on the whole they haven't pulled it all together.
This movie was doomed from the start. They had to do a bunch of rewrites and reshoots. Reviews from people I trust know marvel thought it was bad. They have been struggling a lot with movies after End Game. Of course there were some great ones in there too. No Way Home and Multiverse of Madness were really good
I just left the theater and enjoyed it. Felt a lot more grounded than recent movie with stakes that didn’t involve “the world is ending”. Ford is a great replacement for Ross, and Mackie is growing into the role well. I can tell that reshoots definitely forced some punches to be pulled and the post credits was incredibly underwhelming.
It was spoiled but I still felt the red hulk scenes were done well. There was a scene in the jet battle that I was surprised went as far as it did given the context
Overall a B- for me. Better than black widow but not quite Shang chi. Still miles above anything the other shared-universe-franchises put out(Sony, universal)
It was spoiled but I still felt the red hulk scenes were done well. There was a scene in the jet battle that I was surprised went as far as it did given the context
Overall a B- for me. Better than black widow but not quite Shang chi. Still miles above anything the other shared-universe-franchises put out(Sony, universal)
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OK, I actually thought that Black Widow was pretty good. To me, that was the best post-Endgame movie with maybe the exception being Deadpool and Wolverine. I think that there's been a lot of average to bad movies in this stretch. Some that I'm not even that interested in watching. Not sure what they can do about it...the main characters are all gone and the new ones aren't that interesting. I will say that I'm excited for the Fantastic 4 movie and also whatever they decide to do with the X-Men. But really, the Disney + stuff has been better than feature films. More character development and storylines.
I saw the new "Captain America" last night and found it good, but not great.
I think someone mentioned it earlier, but I think Marvel/Disney is making a big mistake by trying to tie in all of the Disney + stuff into crucial plot lines in their movies. It seems like they are operating under an assumption that everyone who pays money to see their movies in theaters are also subscribers to their streaming service. That simply is not the case. My friend who I saw it with does not get Disney +, so he had no idea who Isiah Bradley was supposed to be. I also have to wonder whey the big Bad Guy ended up being a minor character from a movie released back in 2008 or so. Do they honestly expect the audience to remember who this guy was? Just some unforced errors (kind of like our turnovers yesterday) that held the movie back.
I think someone mentioned it earlier, but I think Marvel/Disney is making a big mistake by trying to tie in all of the Disney + stuff into crucial plot lines in their movies. It seems like they are operating under an assumption that everyone who pays money to see their movies in theaters are also subscribers to their streaming service. That simply is not the case. My friend who I saw it with does not get Disney +, so he had no idea who Isiah Bradley was supposed to be. I also have to wonder whey the big Bad Guy ended up being a minor character from a movie released back in 2008 or so. Do they honestly expect the audience to remember who this guy was? Just some unforced errors (kind of like our turnovers yesterday) that held the movie back.
I actually thought they did a solid job making this movie so that a movie goer really didn’t have to have had watched FATWS prior. I mean, hell, they developed several minutes of exposition in the first minutes to get the audience almost completely up to speed (which I know some people didn’t like - personally doesn’t bother me).
And Thunderbolt Ross wasn’t the bad guy IMHO; his character went through a pretty significant “has done very bad things over the years, can he actually change and be good?” arc. Harrison Ford did an awesome job with it. He definitely didn’t phone in his performance. Ross has been featured in several key movies where he’s been in conflict with Captain America and the Avengers (including hunting Sam, Natasha, and Cap for a several years), so it made sense for Ross and his relationship/conflict/trust/distrust with Sam would be a key component. Sam stayed true to character through, not fully giving into Ross and trusting him but also not giving up on him for the greater good as well. Sam’s best weapon is his empathy, which makes him a great leader, counselor, and ultimately - Captain America.
Just got out of the theater. I thought it was OK. Daughter said it was better than she expected it to be.
Me too. I liked it. But i thought I was up on everything walking into it and they threw a bunch of stuff at me I didn't remember or know about. Current Marvel story telling, like Star Wars, is sort of hog tied trying to keep everything canon.
Some interesting commentary on the reshoots:
I originally gave the movie a solid 6/7 out of 10. After watching some breakdowns and reviews, I’m actually excited to see it again.
I originally gave the movie a solid 6/7 out of 10. After watching some breakdowns and reviews, I’m actually excited to see it again.
Just saw it. The movie is the definition of fine, and sometimes that's okay. It's okay to go to the movies and have a fine time, I like movies, makes it easy on me.
Where the reshoots and stuff I think really showed the seams was 1. Sidewinder and 2. The small girl. I don't even know her name. Neither character needed to be in the movie.
This is hurt by me rewatching The Winter Soldier yesterday, where this feels like it was trying to completely remake that movie. Feels like the small girl was a widow just because they wanted a black widow. It seems like Sidewinder was in the movie to take the place of a Batroc. Torres was here to take Sam's spot.
Ultimately it wasn't terrible I'm not going to say that. I think it's better than a lot of the critics and people I've heard have said. But this certainly isn't a return to form or anything. If I'm power ranking my Marvel movies it's way at the bottom for me but that can still be a good time. I was trying to think of Marvel movies I'd place below it. Maybe Eternals? That's it.
If I had to guess that has to be a part of the writing. The decision to center Thaddeus Ross/Harrison Ford as the driving character in this movie is just absolutely baffling to me. I don't want to say Ford was mailing it in, I don't know if that's the case, maybe he just doesn't have it anymore, but I felt absolutely nothing for that character. I forgot Betty Ross was actually Liv Tyler. I was confused about that. A movie around Sam, Torres, Bradley, etc with one bad guy, not 3 nothing antagonists would have been better. I'm not gonna say this is batman forever bad with the villains but why?
As to the CGI, I agree with others that it was fine. The worst effect was the practical makeup on The Leader. Like just what the heck were they going for.
TLDR; I think this movie lacked the heart I want from Sam Wilson, it lacked the humor so associated with the MCU, and there were times I was bored and fading out. I like Mackie as Sam/Cap, I like Torres as Falcon, and I think he can do a good job in the future but I think this one just got away from them.
Where the reshoots and stuff I think really showed the seams was 1. Sidewinder and 2. The small girl. I don't even know her name. Neither character needed to be in the movie.
This is hurt by me rewatching The Winter Soldier yesterday, where this feels like it was trying to completely remake that movie. Feels like the small girl was a widow just because they wanted a black widow. It seems like Sidewinder was in the movie to take the place of a Batroc. Torres was here to take Sam's spot.
Ultimately it wasn't terrible I'm not going to say that. I think it's better than a lot of the critics and people I've heard have said. But this certainly isn't a return to form or anything. If I'm power ranking my Marvel movies it's way at the bottom for me but that can still be a good time. I was trying to think of Marvel movies I'd place below it. Maybe Eternals? That's it.
If I had to guess that has to be a part of the writing. The decision to center Thaddeus Ross/Harrison Ford as the driving character in this movie is just absolutely baffling to me. I don't want to say Ford was mailing it in, I don't know if that's the case, maybe he just doesn't have it anymore, but I felt absolutely nothing for that character. I forgot Betty Ross was actually Liv Tyler. I was confused about that. A movie around Sam, Torres, Bradley, etc with one bad guy, not 3 nothing antagonists would have been better. I'm not gonna say this is batman forever bad with the villains but why?
As to the CGI, I agree with others that it was fine. The worst effect was the practical makeup on The Leader. Like just what the heck were they going for.
TLDR; I think this movie lacked the heart I want from Sam Wilson, it lacked the humor so associated with the MCU, and there were times I was bored and fading out. I like Mackie as Sam/Cap, I like Torres as Falcon, and I think he can do a good job in the future but I think this one just got away from them.
Appreciate the perspective.
Ford was fantastic throughout, IMHO. For the first time ever, I actually cared about that character, or at least noticed that character had more to him (and Ross had been in 5 other MCU movies, so that shouldn’t have been new for the audience).
Also just my opinion - I thought it made sense to center the movie around Cap and Ross as Ross has had a direct conflict with “Captain America” for years, and the entire Hulk storyline has always been linked to Captain America; we literally have Hulks because scientists and military leaders were trying to replicate Cap’s original serum to create super soldiers. Sam (Cap) had to wrestle the entire movie with the dynamic of - can Ross change? Can he EVER trust Ross? His very nature - what makes him Cap - is his empathy - can he really be empathetic towards Ross and ultimately help him? And should he really risk his life fighting a f***ing Hulk to do it!?
Yes. Because that’s who he is.
PS. Totally agree that “fine” is totally fine. This movie absolutely fits in with (and is “as fine as”) Phase 1 - 3 movies like Thor 1 & 2, Iron Man 2 & 3, Incredible Hulk, Ant Man & The Wasp, etc. And that is perfectly OK.
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I completely disagree on several of those. I put this movie clearly behind the Thor movies, the iron man’s, ant man’s, etc. incredible Hulk I have no opinion on, I haven’t seen it in nearly 20 years.
Ultimately I am happy to let people make their comparisons and IMO this movie just isn’t worth arguing about. I’ll never watch it again and it’s bottom tier MCU and even people who enjoyed it probably won’t disagree.
