Marvel Cinematic Universe
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I'm personally more worried that the pandemic will have more of an effect on numbers than the bigots will. I think that stuff gets overblown by the loudest voices out there. If a movie is good, the numbers tend to reflect it, as can be seen by the box offices of both a movie like Wonder Woman and Black Panther. Shoot, even Captain Marvel put out good box office numbers and I didn't find that movie to be particularly great. It had its flaws. As for the flop of Wonder Woman 2, that was due to a ton of factors, including the fact that is was quite terrible.
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This is true. This COVID resurgence is terrible for everyone. I just hate hearing unfounded hatred for things just because they aren't led by straight white male protagonists. But I'm particularly sensitive to that BS.
Yeah, I get it. I'm personally just sad that Shang Chi won't get its deserved due simply due to COVID, because if it is as good as the initial reactions make it out to be, it deserves so much more than it will likely get due to the circumstances. At least this is an MCU movie, so the good news is that Shang Chi's box office likely will have little impact as to how much he is utilized in future movies.
I'm also interested to see full reviews for this thing more from the general audience. If there has been a trend lately, it has been that these initial reactions from the premiers are pretty much always inherently better and more pronounced than what we get from the general audiences and critics. They can at least be a decent indicator of whether the movie is overall good or bad, but if the movies are good, they tend to overblow how good they are. In their defense, if I was at the premier for a good MCU movie, I would be so pumped up that I too would come out with a review of "BEST MOVIE EVA!!!!!". Haha.
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You’d be better off not reading comment sections. It’s not the real America.
WHAT IF...? Rejected Pitch Saw The Rocketeer Fighting Alongside Captain America And Peggy Carter
What If...? director Bryan Andrews has revealed another rejected idea for an episode of the Disney+ animated series, which would have seen The Rocketeer team-up with Captain America and Peggy Carter.
SOOOOO CLOOOSSSSEEEE!!!!!!! I've actually talked on here about both my love for the Rocketeer and also how much I thought it would be so cool to grandfather in the old Disney movie into the MCU. I get that it isn't a Marvel property, even though Disney made the previous movie, but I'd argue it would fit so perfectly in there, and there is a reason for it. For those who are unaware, Joe Johnston was the director for both The Rocketeer and Captain America: The First Avenger. In fact, in their pitch for the movie, they were shooting for a Rocketeer look, tone and feel for the first Cap movie, so it shouldn't be surprising that is what we got. Well, this is likely the closest we were going to get to merging the two and it failed, but at least somebody tried!!!! Come on Feige!!!!!
Technically there has been a couple Wonder Woman movies, a Captain Marvel one, and a Black Widow one. Black Widow underperformed somewhat here recently at the box office, but I'd argue that was much more related to COVID and its concurrent Disney Premier Access than anything female related. There is also other things like being too little too late and its minimal impact of the overall MCU that likely played a part too. Regardless, I loved the movie and was super glad it was made.
Can you imagine if End Game had been released during the pandemic? It would have still done numbers because it was phenomenal, but people would be risking a lot for it.
Yeah unfortunately very few female led movies, period. I really liked Black Widow. It felt like it would have fit PERFECTLY into the time period it actually occurred in. But for some reason they decided to retcon it into the past after the characters death. SPOILERS!
I just feel like it was treated as an afterthought when it shouldn't have been.
Same with Captain Marvel to some extent. They shoe horned a good movie in the middle of this huge MCU arc and expected people to care about her as much as characters that had been developed for multiple movies. Of course that's not going to work out as well.
Then you have misogynists freaking out about Captain Marvel being a Mary Sue and not worthy of her powers, or just hating on Brie Larson for nothing to do with the actual movie.
Yeah the comment sections are the worst of the worst, but it's sad that there's more "real America" represented there than most would like to admit.
End Game is one of those rare movies that had the pull to probably buck all the trends and still get people to come out for it. However, I'd argue where it likely would have still taken a bit of a beating would have been in its repeat viewers, which really was what gave the movie so much legs. People would have likely braved it to go out and see it one, but probably not twice or three times. Same goes for other movies during the pandemic, there is definitely a trend going in above-average drops in all these movies during their second weekends at the box offices. A combination of COVID, concurrent streaming, and decreased exclusive theater viewing windows all are playing their part I believe in killing the legs for nearly every movie. Especially comic book movies rely on these repeat viewings to really prop up their numbers, and I'm starting to believe long-legged movies might be a thing of the past. I think the new normal even after we get past COVID will be where the people who really want to see any movie will mostly all come opening weekend, otherwise they will just wait until it comes out on streaming in the much smaller window.
I totally get where you are coming from, but I don't think it is just haters thinking Brie Larson wasn't the best in the role. I didn't particularly like her either and found her performance to be really rigid. Some of it was likely due to writing, but some of it was her performance as well. I actually liked her better in Endgame than in her own movie. I'm holding out hope her next movie improves on all fronts.
Yep. So many factors that will change movies going forward, no doubt. My movie consumption has changed drastically from just 5 years ago.
CycloneErik
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Rigid is Captain Marvel in a nutshell. Larson was excellent at protraying a really difficult character to portray due to her emotional distance/damage.
I truly believe there is two COVID factors out there. I think COVID is having a direct impact on box office returns, but I also believe COVID has ushered in or accelerated in a new normal, which we are also starting to see glimpses of, but don't know its full effect quite yet.
Yeah, it wasn't perfect, but it's also a part of who the character was supposed to be in that movie. At least until she fully embraced her powers and figured out who she was really meant to be. In the end it was just a character introduction. We didn't even get to see any real development. If you have a sequel set during the middle of phase 3 you'd see real character development. You'd have her being more peoples favorite character and her improvement in Endgame that much more significant. I thought she was better in Endgame too BTW.
In the end I think it was partly a missed opportunity for both Captain Marvel AND Black Widow to have their movies seem like afterthoughts.
Yep. I think that was the whole point. She'd been shackled and indoctrinated into a Kree army that she never actually understood in the end. Then you get the actual Captain Marvel for the last 15 minutes.
I feel like the first Captain Marvel movie should have been released right after the original Avengers. Then a sequel in phase 2 or 3, maybe connecting her to the GotG. Then the End Game showdown that we loved but deserved more of.
And yes, haters were less of a problem than they could have been. I just hated the haters, if that makes any sense. It was senseless and just ticked me off.
