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Looks like Marvel has finally found its director for the upcoming Black Widow solo movie. Like many first-time MCU directors, its hard to really form too much of opinion as many of them come in with very little to go off of. Same thing here. However, I've learned to trust Marvel with these so I will with this woman too. If history shows us anything, chances are she is pretty good and talented.
As for the movie, I'm super excited. I've been wanting this movie for a long time as I've actually always wanted a prequel story with her, particularly the Budapest story Hawkeye and her joke about. For those who don't read the MCU tie-in comics or haven't watched Agent Carter, which paint in some more of both her and the Black Widow program's history, it is super intriguing. I also think that after Infinity War, Marvel needs to shoot for some more smaller stakes movies where the world isn't always ending, and where we can just kind of live in the world. Black Widow is the perfect opportunity for this and it can be in the form of a brand new genre movie they haven't given us yet.
Looks like Marvel has finally found its director for the upcoming Black Widow solo movie. Like many first-time MCU directors, its hard to really form too much of opinion as many of them come in with very little to go off of. Same thing here. However, I've learned to trust Marvel with these so I will with this woman too. If history shows us anything, chances are she is pretty good and talented.
As for the movie, I'm super excited. I've been wanting this movie for a long time as I've actually always wanted a prequel story with her, particularly the Budapest story Hawkeye and her joke about. For those who don't read the MCU tie-in comics or haven't watched Agent Carter, which paint in some more of both her and the Black Widow program's history, it is super intriguing. I also think that after Infinity War, Marvel needs to shoot for some more smaller stakes movies where the world isn't always ending, and where we can just kind of live in the world. Black Widow is the perfect opportunity for this and it can be in the form of a brand new genre movie they haven't given us yet.
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Finally finished Luke Cage S2 last night. That was a very strong follow up to an up-&-down S1.
Things I liked:
Luke Cage! He’s probably the most interesting character because he’s Iron Man without money. I really liked how the finale setup S3 - there’s a lot they can work with
Mariah Dillard/Stokes - very good villain, and there were some creepy moments too, that really helped sell it.
Bushmaster - aside from the cheesy-name, he was a great second villain- much better than Diamomdback from S1 (I wish we could forget that plot line even existed).
Setting - I feel like Harlem is the most consistent and well-defined setting of the Netflix shows. The atmosphere is alive with the smart addition of live performances in Harlem’s Paradise every episode.
Things I didn’t like:
Editing/directing - there were times where characters had weird pauses/beats before delivering dialogue. The worst though had to be some of Alfre Woodward’s scenes as Mariah - there were times where her character would be acting completely different from how she was portrayed just the scene previously, and I could only think that had to be because the scenes were shot on different days.
The episode with the flashback to the 80s and Mariah hallucinating Pete and Mama Mabel into existence. That just seemed like an insult to the audience. I think we all got that Mama Mabel and Pete were jerks and that something terrible happened to the McIvers in the 80s. I will say that the casting was really good for those flashback scenes, but I felt it was just unnecessary. The hallucination scene was really out of left field and it never amounted to anything.
Biggest pet-peeve for these Netflix shows: why do they feel it’s necessary to bring in the parents? They did the same thing in JJ S2 but that at least made some sense. I also think that it’s been hinted we’ll see Matt Murdoch’s mom in DareDevil S3. The addition of the late Reg E. Cathey added a strong actor to the cast, but his character really didn’t add much to the story, nor did he add any progression to Luke Cages character that he wouldn’t have discovered himself.
I liked this way better than Jessica Jones S2, but I don’t think anything will top The Punisher S1. I think Netflix has finally re-focused the path for their Marvel TV shows. Even Iron Fist/Danny Rand seemed more tolerable in his brief cameo. This season of Luke Cage has renewed my excitement for future Netflix-Marvel shows, like DareDevil S3 which comes out towards the end of the year. If I had to rank this season amongst all the other Netflix shows I think it cracks the Top 5:
1. Punisher
2. Jessica Jones S1
3. DareDevil S1
4. DareDevil S2
5. Luke Cage S2
6. Luke Cage S1
7. Jessica Jones S2
8. The Defenders
9. Iron Fist
Things I liked:
Luke Cage! He’s probably the most interesting character because he’s Iron Man without money. I really liked how the finale setup S3 - there’s a lot they can work with
Mariah Dillard/Stokes - very good villain, and there were some creepy moments too, that really helped sell it.
Bushmaster - aside from the cheesy-name, he was a great second villain- much better than Diamomdback from S1 (I wish we could forget that plot line even existed).
Setting - I feel like Harlem is the most consistent and well-defined setting of the Netflix shows. The atmosphere is alive with the smart addition of live performances in Harlem’s Paradise every episode.
Things I didn’t like:
Editing/directing - there were times where characters had weird pauses/beats before delivering dialogue. The worst though had to be some of Alfre Woodward’s scenes as Mariah - there were times where her character would be acting completely different from how she was portrayed just the scene previously, and I could only think that had to be because the scenes were shot on different days.
The episode with the flashback to the 80s and Mariah hallucinating Pete and Mama Mabel into existence. That just seemed like an insult to the audience. I think we all got that Mama Mabel and Pete were jerks and that something terrible happened to the McIvers in the 80s. I will say that the casting was really good for those flashback scenes, but I felt it was just unnecessary. The hallucination scene was really out of left field and it never amounted to anything.
Biggest pet-peeve for these Netflix shows: why do they feel it’s necessary to bring in the parents? They did the same thing in JJ S2 but that at least made some sense. I also think that it’s been hinted we’ll see Matt Murdoch’s mom in DareDevil S3. The addition of the late Reg E. Cathey added a strong actor to the cast, but his character really didn’t add much to the story, nor did he add any progression to Luke Cages character that he wouldn’t have discovered himself.
I liked this way better than Jessica Jones S2, but I don’t think anything will top The Punisher S1. I think Netflix has finally re-focused the path for their Marvel TV shows. Even Iron Fist/Danny Rand seemed more tolerable in his brief cameo. This season of Luke Cage has renewed my excitement for future Netflix-Marvel shows, like DareDevil S3 which comes out towards the end of the year. If I had to rank this season amongst all the other Netflix shows I think it cracks the Top 5:
1. Punisher
2. Jessica Jones S1
3. DareDevil S1
4. DareDevil S2
5. Luke Cage S2
6. Luke Cage S1
7. Jessica Jones S2
8. The Defenders
9. Iron Fist
https://news.avclub.com/james-gunn-fired-from-guardians-of-the-galaxy-vol-3-o-1827757055
Ghost of Twitter Past strikes again. Apparently Gunn was fired after some old tweets got dug up. I wonder who will replace him.
Ghost of Twitter Past strikes again. Apparently Gunn was fired after some old tweets got dug up. I wonder who will replace him.
CycloneErik
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Wow, and that sample of tweets, what the heck was he thinking?
And I don't think I want to know the answer.
10 years ago was right around the time he and his wife were getting divorced- his ex-wife is Jenna Fisher (Pam from The Office). There was some criticism of Fisher at the time they got married because Gunn had this very crass personality that these tweets reflect. This could have been Gunn trying to get noticed by his wife or just defaulting back to old habits while going through a difficult time. Either way, I get why Disney did what they did.
I see that people want Taika Waiti to replace Gunn, but I think the first person Kevin Feige turns to should be Edgar Wright. I doubt Edgar would listen because of the bad relationship they had with Ant-Man initially, but he is the best person that can combine action, comedy, and a unique soundtrack that GotG is known for.
I somewhat agree. People change over time, and if they have demonstrated by action those changes, I feel that we should be allowed to forgive them, and not destroy their reputations, lives, and livelihoods because of some stupid actions in the distant past.
Within reason, of course. Some crimes have no statue of limitations-- I'm not talking about letting Weinstein and Cosby off the hook here.
Of course. It's just weird how no due process, no context, almost no real justification is necessary anymore. Tribalism has brought this to an almost unbearable point. That pendulum is due to swing back eventually which might be even worse.
CycloneErik
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Tribalism? Please.
What context does anyone need for those jokes? I can't imagine many companies associating themselves with that stuff.
Regardless of the circumstances, it is just sad to see all this all go down. I loved James Gunn being a part of the MCU and he was amazing with fans of the franchise. I remember when he would go on Facebook live all the time simply to sit there and answer fans questions about anything. He was always really honest, kind and truthful with all his answers, which was really cool to see from a big-time director like him. I loved him for that and will truly miss him him being a part of the MCU.
On the flip side, I understand the position Disney is put in too with all of this and understand where they were coming from. Even though they were in the past, those tweets were really really bad, regardless of whether they were supposed to be a joke are not. I don't really love how comedians sometimes hide behind the "joke" excuse too, and at the same time, James Gunn isn't even a comedian. He is probably like a 50 year old man and he made these comments when he was probably around 40, not 18. I also truly believe he has changed since then too. Still, we are in a time period where we are dealing with a lot of new ethical dilemmas every day, and I still don't know what the right answer was in this scenario. I think Disney made the right move, but you can never be 100% sure. In general, I tend to lean towards the grace and forgiveness side of things. However, I can't sit here and defend anything he said because that stuff was terrible.
The politics of it all is something else that drives me crazy, where people are quick to condemn the other side of the isle and quick to forgive their own side. I personally like to try really hard to instill an equal measuring stick and an equal amount of grace for both sides. Therefore, while different, I encourage people to act equally towards every situation moving forward whether they are a James Gunn, Chris Hardwick or Rosanne Barr. Everyone needs to be held accountable for their actions, but at the same time, are allowed to grow, change and eventually receive some grace.
On the flip side, I understand the position Disney is put in too with all of this and understand where they were coming from. Even though they were in the past, those tweets were really really bad, regardless of whether they were supposed to be a joke are not. I don't really love how comedians sometimes hide behind the "joke" excuse too, and at the same time, James Gunn isn't even a comedian. He is probably like a 50 year old man and he made these comments when he was probably around 40, not 18. I also truly believe he has changed since then too. Still, we are in a time period where we are dealing with a lot of new ethical dilemmas every day, and I still don't know what the right answer was in this scenario. I think Disney made the right move, but you can never be 100% sure. In general, I tend to lean towards the grace and forgiveness side of things. However, I can't sit here and defend anything he said because that stuff was terrible.
The politics of it all is something else that drives me crazy, where people are quick to condemn the other side of the isle and quick to forgive their own side. I personally like to try really hard to instill an equal measuring stick and an equal amount of grace for both sides. Therefore, while different, I encourage people to act equally towards every situation moving forward whether they are a James Gunn, Chris Hardwick or Rosanne Barr. Everyone needs to be held accountable for their actions, but at the same time, are allowed to grow, change and eventually receive some grace.
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https://www.comicbookmovie.com/guar...-quit-twitter-and-leap-to-his-defence-a162401
Wowsers, such a great written speech (pretty much) from Sean Gunn about his brother. That is a brother being a really good brother right there. I encourage anyone to read it if they get a chance. Love the honesty and truthfulness in it.
Wowsers, such a great written speech (pretty much) from Sean Gunn about his brother. That is a brother being a really good brother right there. I encourage anyone to read it if they get a chance. Love the honesty and truthfulness in it.
This sounds about right. Disney really didn't have much of a choice in the matter. Those tweets (even in the context of his maturity level and stuff happening in his personal life at the time) are awful and he should be held accountable. And I think he understands that from what I've read in the aftermath. It's probably not a career ruiner, although whether he ever gets something as high profile as the MCU is doubtful.
We're still running into instances of people who are paying the bill for what they said on social media years ago before everyone realized just how permanent that stuff is. I'm hoping that eventually society will catch up and people will be a little more careful about what they're putting out there for public consumption. I'm also eternally grateful that I grew up in a pre-social media era. People have been doing and saying dumb stuff for a long time. It's just so much more visible now. The Internet never forgets. It makes me kind of sick to my stomach to think that there are scumbags out there just mining social media accounts for dirt and then filing them away to use later. Like, I wonder if there's a cottage industry of people just tracking high school five star recruits' accounts looking for offensive/embarrassing posts just in case those kids pan out and get to the professional level later.
Of course there is. As with politicians and anyone else that has a future in power or money. The worst part is how so many are complicit with it.
I do agree that James Gunn understands where Disney is coming from. Truthfully, I think James is making the right moves on how best to handle this with what he has said so far at least.
