I am kind of surprised he is gone after one bad season.
Manning Out
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This is where I’m at. I look back on Manning’s era as the best in Cyclone FB history. He’s a Cyclone for me. Just time for new adventures on both sides.
Thanks for a great run Tom Manning.
offense has under performed for 5 years
This. Even in his better years, there is a strong case to be made that the offense underperformed the talent on the roster.
Well, judging by how both look in the NFL, we had 2 of the elite running backs in all of college football for about 4 years straight. It definitely makes the job of the offensive coordinator alot easier.
Guess I'm a bit conflicted. I didn't think that he was a bad OC given what he had to work with. It's just that getting those pieces in place is part of his responsibility as well. I don't know how much he had to do with the OL coaching, but he obviously did not help Meyers succeed.
I'll give him some credit...when they first got here, they were throwing down the field to Lazard and Butler. Then they pivoted to a TE-heavy offense that was actually pretty successful. They had two NFL RBs that got yards despite a poor OL. I kept thinking that in a few years, those young OLs would be older and we'd have a solid line. But that never happened for whatever reason.
This year things kind of fell apart. They no longer had an NFL RB. They were breaking in a new QB. They didn't have NFL TEs to throw to or block. But they did have 4 OL starters returning and somehow, they got worse. I feel like some bad recruiting decisions kind of doomed the offense. Manning can be a decent OC if he had the right players like in 2020. But at this point, Campbell had to do something.
Still, I'm not going to feel too bad for the guy. He's been making $900k+ for a few years now. Most of us have no idea what it's like to make that kind of money. If it were me, I'd buy a house in Maui or something and kick back for a year. He could easily find a MAC level OL job and still be making $200k a year, which is way more than most people make.
I'll give him some credit...when they first got here, they were throwing down the field to Lazard and Butler. Then they pivoted to a TE-heavy offense that was actually pretty successful. They had two NFL RBs that got yards despite a poor OL. I kept thinking that in a few years, those young OLs would be older and we'd have a solid line. But that never happened for whatever reason.
This year things kind of fell apart. They no longer had an NFL RB. They were breaking in a new QB. They didn't have NFL TEs to throw to or block. But they did have 4 OL starters returning and somehow, they got worse. I feel like some bad recruiting decisions kind of doomed the offense. Manning can be a decent OC if he had the right players like in 2020. But at this point, Campbell had to do something.
Still, I'm not going to feel too bad for the guy. He's been making $900k+ for a few years now. Most of us have no idea what it's like to make that kind of money. If it were me, I'd buy a house in Maui or something and kick back for a year. He could easily find a MAC level OL job and still be making $200k a year, which is way more than most people make.
I don't see that at all. Their offensive efficiency last year was top 25. The year prior it was top 15. To me the biggest issue has been turnovers at bad times and special teams miscues. Also some of their in 21 you can put on the defense. They gave up a ton of points in some of their losses.
2018- 49th in offensive efficiency
2019 - 31st
2020- 15th
2021- 23rd
I don't see how that is under performing as an offense at Iowa State. I would imagine they have never had an offense as good as the prior two years.
This year was in the 80s but it wasn't that surprising to me. New QB starting for the first time. Lost NFL RB and TEs and OL was an issue and dealt with alot of injuries at RB. Good special teams and WRs not dropping passes this team would have won a few more games.
I'm hoping there are more changes than just this coming. Yes the play calling was a problem but the offensive problems this year run deeper than that.
Guy is only 39, he's already made more before the age of 40 than a majority of us will see I'm our lifetimes. I think he'll be fine financially.
Didn’t even use kene Nwangwu the right way either. He should of been coming out of the backfield to catch passes. Hell could of had hall and him come out of the backfield as receiving threats some plays. Imagine defense trying cover them both. Imagine a fake hand off to breece on the one side to come back to a pass to kene on opposite side. Defenses would be so dang out of position.
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They lost me this year.
If you run between the tackles for 0 or 1 or -3 yards every play…and continue to do it the entire game…that’s just losing out of stubbornness when the defense is keeping you in games. Breece made a lot of his own breaks, it masked a lot of this.
I believe in commitment to being a running team, but if it’s not working you have to adjust in game and work on it next week in practice.
I think some of the stubbornness (exemplified by dozens of unsuccessful 6 yard deep shotgun handoffs on 3rd or 4th and a foot) as well as how poorly managed we looked (getting plays in on time, screwing up subbing etc) were big contributors. We just looked disorganized and poorly coached too often. I think that was a bigger deal than overall offensive strategy and play calling.
Or maybe it just came down to the inability to develop a good OL.
Or maybe it just came down to the inability to develop a good OL.
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I have no doubt a new OC will want to bring in a different QB coach, a different OL coach. This isn't done moving yet.
Even if it's Scheelhaase I could still see Gordon and Myers being shown the door.
Guessing the remaining offensive staff will depend on the new OC.
