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All the people that are complaining about cops is a prime example of just how little responsibility people take for their actions. If they break the law and get held accountable for it, the cop is a ****. If they get pulled over for speeding when other people are speeding with them, the cop is a **** and the blame gets shifted to them. Do cops abuse their power at times??? Yes but people need to take responsibility for what they are doing and stop crying about it when they get caught

You're walking from a bar, and a cop stops you, for no reason, and gives you a public intox. You aren't causing any problems or acting out. It's just 3:00AM and he assumes you are over the legal limit (.08).

What are your thoughts?

How about, a cop comes up to a man on the street, accuses him of fighting with a woman, the guy says he wasn't fighting, and walks away. Cop tasers him. Is that ok?

No one is saying that every cop is an ***. No one is saying that people don't deserve to pay the price for their crimes.

What they are saying is that there are a lot of individuals who abuse the power of being a law enforcement officer. Maybe not most, but it's an unacceptably high number.
 
most of the time people get whats coming to them

but being arrested 2 blocks from your house or walking on the sidewalk is just stupid. i think its a policeman's job to protect the people and to maintain order. how those situations are putting themselves into jeopardy is beyond me.

my buddy got arrested for stopping to text on the sidewalk next to a cone that was tipped over. the cop thought he tipped it over, so he stopped and immediately asked if he was drinking. of course it was 2am, but i was sober, and we were walking to the bus stop.
 
And I hate the "law enforcement can do no wrong" attitude. Pull your head out of the sand. Anyone can become a cop. Sure, there are plenty of good cops (the majority probably are) but there are an awful lot of *** holes who want the power of the badge, and love abusing it.

If you don't think that's the reality of the situation, you're fooling yourself.

Hey...no one is perfect, but if you read this board, you'll believe half of all cops are out abusing their authority. That just isn't the case. I've seen plenty of cop confrontations with the general public and 999/1000 the police officer is behaving as he should and it only through some idiots that can't keep their mouths shut in the presence of police that things escalate.
 
You're walking from a bar, and a cop stops you, for no reason, and gives you a public intox. You aren't causing any problems or acting out. It's just 3:00AM and he assumes you are over the legal limit (.08).

What are your thoughts?

i was typing the exact same scenario as you just posted. it happens.
 
Hey...no one is perfect, but if you read this board, you'll believe half of all cops are out abusing their authority. That just isn't the case. I've seen plenty of cop confrontations with the general public and 999/1000 the police officer is behaving as he should and it only through some idiots that can't keep their mouths shut in the presence of police that things escalate.

I've seen plenty as well, and I would put that number somewhere closer to 60/40, with the police doing it the right way 60% of the time, and over doing it the other 40%.

FWIW, I think Ames cops for the most part are pretty reasonable. There's a few bad ones, but it's much better than a small town cop. I can only think of a couple times I've seen Ames cops act badly or be totally unnecessary in their ticketing. Usually when I see police misbehavior in Ames, it was small town or county cops brought in for football games.
 
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The problem is, it was the cops that instigated the riot in 04. Closing down bars early, being liberal with their use of mace, etc. Did some students go too far after that? Yeah, but without extremely poor management of the situation, it never would have happened.

In 06, they took a new approach. More of a friendly, 'we just want to make sure everyone is safe' approach, with plenty of outreach to students, treating them as adults not as criminals (coming to parties saying 'hey, just want to make sure you've got the party under control) and it was the best veishea year of the last decade.

There really arent that many more people on welch than there are for the iowa game weekend in the fall. Yet instead of treating it like a normal weekend, ames cops show up looking for a fight on veishea weekend, and it becomes a self-fulfilling kind of thing.


Quite possibly the dumbest post I've ever seen. Look at both of these videos and tell me anything the police did wrong.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9PuYc_9wks&NR=1]YouTube - Veishea Riots 2004 Ames, IA CNN Headline News[/ame]
There were 25 people arrested total and there were at least 25 trying to flip that cop car over

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcb5eWiO00o&NR=1]YouTube - Ames Campus Riots 2004[/ame]
Look at this video---hundreds of people in the street of one of the busiest interesections in Ames with about 20 cops in sight. Police did not instigate anything and used the spray as a last resort.
 
You're walking from a bar, and a cop stops you, for no reason, and gives you a public intox. You aren't causing any problems or acting out. It's just 3:00AM and he assumes you are over the legal limit (.08).

What are your thoughts?

How about, a cop comes up to a man on the street, accuses him of fighting with a woman, the guy says he wasn't fighting, and walks away. Cop tasers him. Is that ok?

No one is saying that every cop is an ***. No one is saying that people don't deserve to pay the price for their crimes.

What they are saying is that there are a lot of individuals who abuse the power of being a law enforcement officer. Maybe not most, but it's an unacceptably high number.


My thought is if you aren't over the legal limit then there won't be a problem. The officer is well within his rights to check what you are doing out and about at 3am. If you are drunk then as I mentioned before you could be a threat to yourself or others (I suppose everyone forgot about the student that died recently). Maybe you walk in front of a car you didn't see. You DON'T KNOW what will/could happen and the officer has a duty to protect the public.
Chances are if you are over 21 and can present yourself in a reasonable condition to the officer, nothing will happen. Again, this is where many like to mouth off or run or whatever though. "I wasn't doing anything" attitude. Fine...prove it and then continue on your way home.
This is no different than random OWI testing in an area police know there will be plenty of drinking.

On the second scenario, why does the guy keep walking? Why doesn't he just let the situation play out and not cop an attitude. "I've done nothing wrong" again. I'm just going to walk away from you Mr. Policeman because I know I am in the right and you have no reason to be bothering me. PROVE IT and then continue on your way. This isn't that hard if you haven't done anything wrong. As soon as you take evasive action from the officer he has no choice but to assume you are guilty of something.
 
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i was typing the exact same scenario as you just posted. it happens.

isuno1fan thinks you're an arrogant *** because apparently nobody gets into law enforcement for the power trip.

I'll be the first to condemn Lattimer if the details come out that he was being an ***. People who question police often have first hand experience that justifies it. If someone labels that as arrogant, they are the arrogant one. In my opinion it's not an American value to have no question of authority.
 
If the police wouldn't have tried to shut down Hunt St in 2004, there would not have been a riot. Period. It was a very large party, but a very peaceful one that. I should know, as I was actually there.

If you notice, they are much more lax about trying to control the crowds at VEISHEA since then, and lo and behold there are no more riots.

Their actions since 2004 suggest that they feel they mishandled the situation that year.
 
My thought is if you aren't over the legal limit then there won't be a problem. The officer is well within his rights to check what you are doing out and about at 3am. If you are drunk then as I mentioned before you could be a threat to yourself or others (I suppose everyone forgot about the student that died recently). Maybe you walk in front a car you didn't see. You DON'T KNOW what will/could happen and the officer has a duty to protect the public.
Chances are if you are over 21 and can present yourself in a reasonable condition to the officer, nothing will happen. Again, this is where many like to mouth off or run or whatever though. "I wasn't doing anything" attitude. Fine...prove it and then continue on your way home.
This is no different than random OWI testing in an area police know there will be plenty of drinking.

On the second scenario, why does the guy keep walking? Why doesn't he just let the situation play out and not cop an attitude. "I've done nothing wrong" again. I'm just going to walk away from you Mr. Policeman because I know I am in the right and you have no reason to be bothering me. PROVE IT and then continue on your way. This isn't that hard if you haven't done anything wrong. As soon as you take evasive action from the officer he has no choice but to assume you are guilty of something.

You've clearly never dealt with an unreasonable officer. In the second scenario (which actually happened in New Hampton, IA in 2008), the officer refused to let the guy go after the officer had dispelled any suspicion of a crime.

If the cop you are dealing with is unreasonable and wants to abuse their power, it doesn't matter if you ARE innocent. You can be vindicated eventually through a 1983 suit, but in the short term you are forced to be violated.

The 4th Amendment supposedly protects us from unreasonable search and seizure. If someone isn't clearly committing a crime, there is no reason to investigate them. That's why when cops pull over a vehicle that wasn't committing any traffic offenses, and the driver is intoxicated or possesses some form of contraband, any evidence obtained from the illegal stop is thrown out and the case ultimately dismissed.

Police forces exist to serve and protect. At times, that goal seemingly gets tossed aside in the name of racking up arrests.
 
If the police wouldn't have tried to shut down Hunt St in 2004, there would not have been a riot. Period. It was a very large party, but a very peaceful one that. I should know, as I was actually there.

If you notice, they are much more lax about trying to control the crowds at VEISHEA since then, and lo and behold there are no more riots.

Their actions since 2004 suggest that they feel they mishandled the situation that year.

As i recall they also closed down the bars early for no reason, creating a massive influx of people from both that party and the bars onto the streets. Their changed actions in 06 reflected that they mishandled things in 04... in 08 (i think it was 08 or 09) they were back to prior tactics, closing off bars (not letting people in OR out), not letting people cross lincoln way for no reason, etc.
 
Here's what james taylor does when he goes back to his friends. Guy's an ego maniac who has an irrational dislike for ISU. Has no ties to EIU and lives in central Iowa but hates the Cyclones. Don't ever think he'll buy the next round either. He's too cheap to buy rounds and won't buy Hawk football tickets. Waits for the freebees to roll in.

I don't mind when people like to discuss issues. JT only posts here to make fun and to confuse his inferiority complex. He's an arrogant putz who is half as cool as he thinks and a quarter as clever.




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Quite possibly the dumbest post I've ever seen. Look at both of these videos and tell me anything the police did wrong.

YouTube - Veishea Riots 2004 Ames, IA CNN Headline News
There were 25 people arrested total and there were at least 25 trying to flip that cop car over

YouTube - Ames Campus Riots 2004
Look at this video---hundreds of people in the street of one of the busiest interesections in Ames with about 20 cops in sight. Police did not instigate anything and used the spray as a last resort.

Were you there? Guess not.

Cops were pepper-spraying innocent women and men.
 
If we're going that route, then at least take the "Honor before Victory" sign down. No reason to pretend...

no reason to

if this constitutes taking that sign down, then we might as well adopt the BYU/turner gill philosophy too, right? where do you draw the line? let coach rhoads decide how he wants to run his program
 
It seems that a few folks have no clue what is assaults peace officers, jailers, correctional staff, fire fighters, and or health care providers.

Saying "F U" to any of the above is not assault.



708.1 Assault defined.

An assault as defined in this section is a general intent crime. A person commits an assault when, without justification, the person does any of the following:

1. Any act which is intended to cause pain or injury to, or which is intended to result in physical contact which will be insulting or offensive to another, coupled with the apparent ability to execute the act.

2. Any act which is intended to place another in fear of immediate physical contact which will be painful, injurious, insulting, or offensive, coupled with the apparent ability to execute the act.

3. Intentionally points any firearm toward another, or displays in a threatening manner any dangerous weapon toward another.

Provided, that where the person doing any of the above enumerated acts, and such other person, are voluntary participants in a sport, social or other activity, not in itself criminal, and such act is a reasonably foreseeable incident of such sport or activity, and does not create an unreasonable risk of serious injury or breach of the peace, the act shall not be an assault.

Provided, that where the person doing any of the above enumerated acts is employed by a school district or accredited nonpublic school, or is an area education agency staff member who provides services to a school or school district, and intervenes in a fight or physical struggle, or other disruptive situation, that takes place in the presence of the employee or staff member performing employment duties in a school building, on school grounds, or at an official school function regardless of the location, the act shall not be an assault, whether the fight or physical struggle or other disruptive situation is between students or other individuals, if the degree and the force of the intervention is reasonably necessary to restore order and to protect the safety of those assembled.



708.2 Penalties for assault.

1. A person who commits an assault, as defined in section 708.1, with the intent to inflict a serious injury upon another, is guilty of an aggravated misdemeanor.

2. A person who commits an assault, as defined in section 708.1, and who causes bodily injury or mental illness, is guilty of a serious misdemeanor.

3. A person who commits an assault, as defined in section 708.1, and uses or displays a dangerous weapon in connection with the assault, is guilty of an aggravated misdemeanor. This subsection does not apply if section 708.6 or 708.8 applies.

4. A person who commits an assault, as defined in section 708.1, and who causes serious injury, is guilty of a class "D" felony.

5. A person who commits an assault, as defined in section 708.1, and who uses any object to penetrate the genitalia or anus of another person, is guilty of a class "C" felony.

6. Any other assault, except as otherwise provided, is a simple misdemeanor.



708.3A Assaults on peace officers, jailers, correctional staff, fire fighters, and health care providers.

1. A person who commits an assault, as defined in section 708.1, against a peace officer, jailer, correctional staff, health care provider, or fire fighter, whether paid or volunteer, with the knowledge that the person against whom the assault is committed is a peace officer, jailer, correctional staff, health care provider, or fire fighter and with the intent to inflict a serious injury upon the peace officer, jailer, correctional staff, health care provider, or fire fighter, is guilty of a class "D" felony.

2. A person who commits an assault, as defined in section 708.1, against a peace officer, jailer, correctional staff, health care provider, or fire fighter, whether paid or volunteer, who knows that the person against whom the assault is committed is a peace officer, jailer, correctional staff, health care provider, or fire fighter and who uses or displays a dangerous weapon in connection with the assault, is guilty of a class "D" felony.

3. A person who commits an assault, as defined in section 708.1, against a peace officer, jailer, correctional staff, health care provider, or fire fighter, whether paid or volunteer, who knows that the person against whom the assault is committed is a peace officer, jailer, correctional staff, health care provider, or fire fighter, and who causes bodily injury or mental illness, is guilty of an aggravated misdemeanor.

4. Any other assault, as defined in section 708.1, committed against a peace officer, jailer, correctional staff, health care provider, or fire fighter, whether paid or volunteer, by a person who knows that the person against whom the assault is committed is a peace officer, jailer, correctional staff, health care provider, or fire fighter, is a serious misdemeanor.

5. As used in this section, "health care provider" means an emergency medical care provider as defined in chapter 147A or a person licensed or registered under chapter 148, 148C, 148D, 150, 150A, or 152 who is providing or who is attempting to provide emergency medical services, as defined in section 147A.1, or who is providing or who is attempting to provide health services as defined in section 135.61 in a hospital. A person who commits an assault under this section against a health care provider in a hospital, or at the scene or during out-of-hospital patient transportation in an ambulance, is presumed to know that the person against whom the assault is committed is a health care provider.

6. As used in this section, "correctional staff" means a person who is not a peace officer but who is employed by the department of corrections or a judicial district department of correctional services to work at or in a correctional institution, community-based correctional facility, or an institution under the management of the Iowa department of corrections which is used for the purposes of confinement of persons who have committed public offenses.

7. As used in this section, "jailer" means a person who is employed by a county or other political subdivision of the state to work at a county jail or other facility used for purposes of the confinement of persons who have committed public offenses, but who is not a peace officer.



Iowa Code 2003SUPPLEMENT: Section 708.1

Iowa Code 2003SUPPLEMENT: Section 708.2

Iowa Code 2003SUPPLEMENT: Section 708.3A
 
It seems that a few folks have no clue what is assaults peace officers, jailers, correctional staff, fire fighters, and or health care providers.

Saying "F U" to any of the above is not assault.



708.1 Assault defined.
2. Any act which is intended to place another in fear of immediate physical contact which will be painful, injurious, insulting, or offensive, coupled with the apparent ability to execute the act.
This is the one they'll get you on. The cop just has to say that they were put 'in fear of immediate physical contact' . Their word against yours.
 
Were you there? Guess not.

Cops were pepper-spraying innocent women and men.

Yeah, I was there and even though I had to leave Paddy's early with a slight buzz, I went home when the cops asked us to.

IIRC the incident in 2008 started because of a fight between 2 people at the Kum and Go on Chamberlain and Welch. That just goes to show you how quickly things can escalate and how important it is to remove problematic/drunk people from these situations. There can be upwards of 1,000 people on Welch when the bars close and it only takes one drunk idiot to start something.
 
And I hate the "law enforcement can do no wrong" attitude. Pull your head out of the sand. Anyone can become a cop. Sure, there are plenty of good cops (the majority probably are) but there are an awful lot of *** holes who want the power of the badge, and love abusing it.

If you don't think that's the reality of the situation, you're fooling yourself.

So if I don't meet the minimum qualifications set by the state I can still become an officer? Sweet!
 
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