NFL: Kansas City Chiefs Thread

[houjix]

Look, I didn't say Purdy was better than Mahomes, at least not yet. I said it was interesting that Mahomes (who is widely considered the NFL's top QB) has thrown 4 more interceptions than Purdy.

You say Purdy "is not in the same conversation as Mahomes" and it's not fair to compare them given Purdy hasn't quite played a full season. Okay, I guess we could compare their rookie years, but Mahomes only got to play in 1 game his rookie year while Purdy has been setting franchise records.

Time will tell how great of a career Purdy will have. But right now, I can't think of any NFL QB in history (including Patrick Mahomes) who's gotten off to a better start.

Mahomes first season as a starter was literally one of the top 2 or 3 best QB performances of all time. Brock is doing well, but by the time you stack up his first 17 games vs Mahomes, it will still be Mahomes by a long ways. Brock would have to throw for 3,000 yards and 32 TDs in the next four weeks to be on that level. Sure, Brock will have fewer turnovers, but not enough to really tip the scale.

The time will come for Purdy when the Niners have to make salary decisions that will affect the quality of the roster around him. Had Mahomes come into the league with the best 2-53, it may have been even crazier season for him. As it was, he had a solid O-line, only 2-3 skill position players worth a damn, and one of the worst defenses in the league.

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

Look, I didn't say Purdy was better than Mahomes, at least not yet. I said it was interesting that Mahomes (who is widely considered the NFL's top QB) has thrown 4 more interceptions than Purdy.

You say Purdy "is not in the same conversation as Mahomes" and it's not fair to compare them given Purdy hasn't quite played a full season. Okay, I guess we could compare their rookie years, but Mahomes only got to play in 1 game his rookie year while Purdy has been setting franchise records.

Time will tell how great of a career Purdy will have. But right now, I can't think of any NFL QB in history (including Patrick Mahomes) who's gotten off to a better start.

Purdy has looked very good in every game to start his career, but what we have not seen him do is take his team down the field for a score in crunch time. Something that Mahomes has done over and over in his career. Hell in the playoff game against the Bills he had 13 seconds after the kickoff and got them into a field goal situation that was made and then won in OT.

It's hard to compare the two right now, one if he retired tomorrow will go down as one of the best ever and won two super bowls, the other has had a very great start to his career, but really has won nothing of value.

 

[CYdTracked]

Look, I didn't say Purdy was better than Mahomes, at least not yet. I said it was interesting that Mahomes (who is widely considered the NFL's top QB) has thrown 4 more interceptions than Purdy.

You say Purdy "is not in the same conversation as Mahomes" and it's not fair to compare them given Purdy hasn't quite played a full season. Okay, I guess we could compare their rookie years, but Mahomes only got to play in 1 game his rookie year while Purdy has been setting franchise records.

Time will tell how great of a career Purdy will have. But right now, I can't think of any NFL QB in history (including Patrick Mahomes) who's gotten off to a better start.

Again, not same conversation (yet) as Mahomes has broken several "fastest to" records himself. He just set another record this week for fastest to reach 200 TD passes after he just became the fastest QB to reach 25,000 career passing yards a week ago. He has several other accomplishments like this over the year. If he can stay healthy and maintain his level of production he's on track to break a lot of records over his career and likely be in the GOAT conversation with Brady. Here's a breakdown of where he stood with his first 75 starts:

Patrick Mahomes by the numbers: Chiefs QB shatters NFL record books entering 75th career start - CBSSports.com

Again, I am rooting for our boy Brock Purdy too, he's off to a good start in his young career but everything he's done statistically that stands out is mostly accuracy and win % thus far. He's not really stood out as an elite QB that carries a team like Mahomes has done throughout his career. Purdy definitely benefits from taking over a veteran team with a ton of top end talent across the board where his main job is to not turn the ball over and get it to their playmakers. Mahomes first year as a starter his defense was terrible, he did have Kelce and Hill and his RB was Kareem Hunt who finished with 824 yards and 7 TD but the o-line was not great either. His other WR other than Hill was Sammy Watkins, Chris Conley, and Demarcus Robinson who were nothing special. In 2018 they lost games by 37-31, 43-40, 54-51, 29-28, 38-31 and Mahomes was the main reason they were even in those games because the defense couldn't stop anyone that year. Purdy has done a lot of good things so far statistically he's not in the same conversation as what Mahomes did even early in his career.

 

[cydsho]

True but it was a strange play, he could have scored easily which would have put the Chiefs up by 10 after the PAT. Jets had burned all their timeouts, so even if they return the kick, which were all but one going to the back line of the endzone, they would have had to get the on-sides kick and then kick a field goal to tie the game.

I think playing smart is part of the game prep. Remember when McKinnon went down before scoring a TD in the Super Bowl? They have to have been to taught that for a guy to not score in the super bowl.

 

[ZRF]

I thought the hold call was legit, the defensive player prevented MVS from being able to continue on his route progression and had he not held him he probably would have been wide open on that play. Every call the goes in the Chiefs favor late in games now always going to have some critics as they will say Mahomes is getting the Brady treatment with the refs. If you want to go back in the game I'm not going to defend Juwan Taylor as he's been making a lot of dumb mistakes all season but there is an argument to be made that the facemask penalty that resulted in a safety occurred before the defensive player was in the end zone. I was fine with the penalty because Taylor's made enough boneheaded mistakes up to the point it's hard to defend him but that's another one where it wasn't cut and dry they got that one right either.

It was a legit call, but a weak one. If they called that sort of thing with consistency teams would have 100 plus yards in defensive holding a game (just like with olinemen holding consistently on the other side of the ball).

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

I think playing smart is part of the game prep. Remember when McKinnon went down before scoring a TD in the Super Bowl? They have to have been to taught that for a guy to not score in the super bowl.

True but in the super bowl, that would have left plenty of time on the clock of the Eagles to drive down and tie the game back up. Last night, if Mahomes runs it in, that would have given the Chiefs a 10 point lead under 2 minutes and the Jets had burnt all their timeouts. I just found it strange that Mahomes did not score there and they decided to take a knee, but like you said, it might have been something that they talked about during the last timeout. That if you break free and are past the 1st down marker, just hit the ground and stay in bounds.

 

[Pope]

Again, not same conversation (yet) as Mahomes has broken several "fastest to" records himself. He just set another record this week for fastest to reach 200 TD passes after he just became the fastest QB to reach 25,000 career passing yards a week ago. He has several other accomplishments like this over the year. If he can stay healthy and maintain his level of production he's on track to break a lot of records over his career and likely be in the GOAT conversation with Brady. Here's a breakdown of where he stood with his first 75 starts:

Patrick Mahomes by the numbers: Chiefs QB shatters NFL record books entering 75th career start - CBSSports.com

Again, I am rooting for our boy Brock Purdy too, he's off to a good start in his young career but everything he's done statistically that stands out is mostly accuracy and win % thus far. He's not really stood out as an elite QB that carries a team like Mahomes has done throughout his career. Purdy definitely benefits from taking over a veteran team with a ton of top end talent across the board where his main job is to not turn the ball over and get it to their playmakers. Mahomes first year as a starter his defense was terrible, he did have Kelce and Hill and his RB was Kareem Hunt who finished with 824 yards and 7 TD but the o-line was not great either. His other WR other than Hill was Sammy Watkins, Chris Conley, and Demarcus Robinson who were nothing special. In 2018 they lost games by 37-31, 43-40, 54-51, 29-28, 38-31 and Mahomes was the main reason they were even in those games because the defense couldn't stop anyone that year. Purdy has done a lot of good things so far statistically he's not in the same conversation as what Mahomes did even early in his career.

Looks like you're a walking encyclopedia when it comes to Mahomes, so I assume he must be your favorite player and you're obviously a big Chiefs fan. Good for you.

I can also trot out a list of many of the most meaningful QB stats (current 2023 season stats) where Purdy ranks higher than Mahomes:

• passing yards
• yards per attempt
• completion percentage
• interceptions
• TD/interception ratio
• completions for 20+ yards
• completions for 40+ yards

I can also argue that NFL football is evolving when it comes to QB play. Thanks in large part to Shanahan, it's becoming less about having hero QB's who make amazing home run completions (along with multiple interceptions) and carry teams on their shoulders, and more about accuracy, efficiency, and minimizing turnovers. Give me a high risk/high reward QB who can really carry a team at times, or give me a QB who completes 20 of 21 passes with no interceptions and I'll choose the latter.

Again, I'm not trying to make the case that Purdy is better than Mahomes (at least not yet). But I will argue he at least belongs in the conversation.

 

[CYdTracked]

It was a legit call, but a weak one. If they called that sort of thing with consistency teams would have 100 plus yards in defensive holding a game (just like with olinemen holding consistently on the other side of the ball).

Just always seems to be magnified when it gets called in a close game where some people might be rooting for a certain team or player to lose. Happened a lot with Brady and the Pats and seeing it happen more now with the Chiefs and Mahomes where every call gets scrutinized if it benefits the Chiefs. Another example is the game against Cincy last year where Mahomes was hit after he had already gone out of bounds. Heard a lot of whining on that one but it was pretty clear he got hit after going out of bounds and refs are going to make that call when it involves a QB getting hit.

 

[BCClone]

How, exactly, is she a nasty person?

First, you have how she likes to rip all her ex’s with a song after they break up. If you continue to date people you consider bad, you may want to look in the mirror as the true issue.

Second, Kanye may not be a great person but she showed her colors with that incident with the song.

 

[MJ29]

First, you have how she likes to rip all her ex’s with a song after they break up. If you continue to date people you consider bad, you may want to look in the mirror as the true issue.

Second, Kanye may not be a great person but she showed her colors with that incident with the song.

You think she's the only artist who writes about their exes? Hmm. That's interesting.

And I'll never side with Kanye on anything.

I don't feel like she's done anything egregiously bad.

I guess you have a different definition of "nasty" than I do.

 

[JohnPrineforCy]

Looks like you're a walking encyclopedia when it comes to Mahomes, so I assume he must be your favorite player and you're obviously a big Chiefs fan. Good for you.

I can also trot out a list of many of the most meaningful QB stats (current 2023 season stats) where Purdy ranks higher than Mahomes:

• passing yards
• yards per attempt
• completion percentage
• interceptions
• TD/interception ratio
• completions for 20+ yards
• completions for 40+ yards

I can also argue that NFL football is evolving when it comes to QB play. Thanks in large part to Shanahan, it's becoming less about having hero QB's who make amazing home run completions (along with multiple interceptions) and carry teams on their shoulders, and more about accuracy, efficiency, and minimizing turnovers. Give me a high risk/high reward QB who can really carry a team at times, or give me a QB who completes 20 of 21 passes with no interceptions and I'll choose the latter.

Again, I'm not trying to make the case that Purdy is better than Mahomes (at least not yet). But I will argue he at least belongs in the conversation.

He doenst belong in the coversation and noone would want Purdy over Mahomes as qb. I am also big Purdy fan.

 

[BCClone]

You think she's the only artist who writes about their exes? Hmm. That's interesting.

And I'll never side with Kanye on anything.

I don't feel like she's done anything egregiously bad.

I guess you have a different definition of "nasty" than I do.

You don’t think her blatant lies with Kanye just to sell records was a bad look?

 

[Pope]

He doenst belong in the coversation and noone would want Purdy over Mahomes as qb. I am also big Purdy fan.

Well since you've declared Purdy doesn't belong in the conversation, then I guess it must be so.

Tell me, though, what stat from this season would demonstrate to you that he does at least belong in the conversation, or is there no stat that could convince you?

 

[michaelrr1]

 

[cydsho]

First, you have how she likes to rip all her ex’s with a song after they break up. If you continue to date people you consider bad, you may want to look in the mirror as the true issue.

Second, Kanye may not be a great person but she showed her colors with that incident with the song.

I think Swift is a little bit crazy but musicians writing songs about about exes has happened since people starting writing songs.
Also I very much look forward to her song about Kelce breaking up with her. My daughter loves swift but her next x amount of Christmas gifts will be Travis Kelce merch.

 

[MJ29]

You don’t think her blatant lies with Kanye just to sell records was a bad look?

Kanye is a terrible human.

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

Well since you've declared Purdy doesn't belong in the conversation, then I guess it must be so.

Tell me, though, what stat from this season would demonstrate to you that he does at least belong in the conversation, or is there no stat that could convince you?

The best QB rankings in the NFL is a very fluid list, it was not that long ago that Lamar Jackson was coming off an MVP season and many were saying he was the best in the league. Now no one puts him in the top five. Joe Barrows stock is dropping this season as he continues to take a pounding and the Bengals are now 1-3.

Purdy is off to a great start of his career, no one can deny that, but let's see if he can continue to play at a high level or even higher for the next 3-5 seasons before we start putting him into the class of a player like Mahomes.

 

[CYdTracked]

Looks like you're a walking encyclopedia when it comes to Mahomes, so I assume he must be your favorite player and you're obviously a big Chiefs fan. Good for you.

I can also trot out a list of many of the most meaningful QB stats (current 2023 season stats) where Purdy ranks higher than Mahomes:

• passing yards
• yards per attempt
• completion percentage
• interceptions
• TD/interception ratio
• completions for 20+ yards
• completions for 40+ yards

I can also argue that NFL football is evolving when it comes to QB play. Thanks in large part to Shanahan, it's becoming less about having hero QB's who make amazing home run completions (along with multiple interceptions) and carry teams on their shoulders, and more about accuracy, efficiency, and minimizing turnovers. Give me a high risk/high reward QB who can really carry a team at times, or give me a QB who completes 20 of 21 passes with no interceptions and I'll choose the latter.

Again, I'm not trying to make the case that Purdy is better than Mahomes (at least not yet). But I will argue he at least belongs in the conversation.

It's 4 games into the season, give it a rest dude. Of course I am a big Chiefs fan and I'm not rooting against Purdy either in fact I hope we get to see a 49ers/Chiefs Super Bowl. They just aren't the same type of QB nor did they start their career in similar siutations. Trying to compare a guy that hasn't even started a full season of games yet to a guy with 2 Super Bowl rings, 2 MVP, and already shattered NFL records over 4 games this season is just ridiculous. Since guys like Tua, Stroud, and Goff all have more passing yards so far than Brock and Mahomes do that must make them elite too right? Kirk Cousins has more passing TDs than any QB in the league at the moment and his team is garbage.

Can we just agree that Purdy is off to a great start to his career and not try to compare him with Mahomes because it's not a fair comparison. Brock needs to play a lot more games before it becomes a fair comparison and Mahomes has already set the bar pretty high with the "fastest to" statistical records. Of course I'm going to make the argument supporting the player of the team I have rooted for long before Mahomes came on the scene and that's not trying to take anything away from Brock either as I root for him too but this isn't even a close arguement on who is the better QB.

 

[cydsho]

Well since you've declared Purdy doesn't belong in the conversation, then I guess it must be so.

Tell me, though, what stat from this season would demonstrate to you that he does at least belong in the conversation, or is there no stat that could convince you?

Zero zero nada zilch 0 nil naught zippo diddly squat bupkis stats would convince me to have purdy over mahomes.

 

[3TrueFans]

You will know if it was legit if she writes a song crapping on him afterwards. If she doesn’t, it was a PR stunt, she is a nasty person.

This is some boomer ****.