ISU Individual Player OFF vs. DEF ratings

[Cyclonepride]

I do not think we will ever see 2 post play together while ISU leading in a game.

We probably will see it when we are behind and cannot end a defensive possession with a rebound or are having difficult guarding a 2 post lineup.

Either way playing 2 posts to me indicates that we are conceding a battle already lost.

The impossible is often the untried. I think you're confusing last year with this year too. Last year, we tried two bigs, but it wasn't terribly successful because we had A) less talent overall, B) less scoring ability from the other three positions (most of the time, Lindell was the only alpha scorer we had on the floor).

 

[VeloClone]

@EarthIsMan

Most teams nowadays, and this is true in the NBA as well, develop a system and drill it into the ground to make it as best they can. "Toggling" styles -- e.g., a man team going zone in a particular game for match-up reasons, the way a football secondary might do -- is kind of out of favor right now in basketball. It is somewhat out of favor in football, too, unless your coach is Bill Belichick. It takes rare talent and coaching to do multiple systems well.

Most coaches and teams concentrate on one thing and doing it well.

Prohm made the decision long ago to be a team that is built around the following roles...

1 PG
3 Wings
1 Big Man

Why? I think there were fundamentally two reasons...

(1.) While this style might predate his time in Ames, from what I have seen, I think Prohm really liked how the MM-NML-MT-DB-SL team was playing in the late part of his second season, both in style and quality. That team was really good at the end of the season. I think Prohm has been coaching and recruiting to try to recreate that system.

(2.) At the same time, the guys he has recruited to it are similar to the archetypes that came from that season. I do not know if he just recruited and found he had the guys for it or found he had the guys for it and went with it, but I think it is clear that he has been trying to do something like the following in rebuilding that 2015-2016 team...

Morris/Weiler-Babb = the "do everything" facilitator PG who plays an ungodly number of minutes
Naz-Matt-Deonte-Jackson/Wigginton-THT-Shayok-TH = 3&D wings
Young/the big men this year = play defense and rebound

We did not play two big men that season because we did not have two big men.

I think, from what I can tell, we do not play two big men right now because, frankly, we do not have the sets built in to do it. I am not sure our offense is tailored to it. I do not think we play Jacobson as a stretch big because, well, Prohm never really installed that in the system from Day 1, thinking too himself long ago he would rather keep Wigginton or Shayok on the court longer instead of putting another big man out there. We are that style now.

I get what you are saying but Prohm has really played a good portion of the minutes this season with two versatile PGs, two wings and one big. Despite his size Tyrese has proven that he is every bit a PG with length and a stroke. He is as much a PG as Nick if not more.

 

[Frak]

I get what you are saying but Prohm has really played a good portion of the minutes this season with two versatile PGs, two wings and one big. Despite his size Tyrese has proven that he is every bit a PG with length and a stroke. He is as much a PG as Nick if not more.

I don't really agree with that. He has no dribble drive game at all. Right now he's a catch and shoot and fast break player.

 

[GTO]

Is this the nerdgasm thread?

Carry on.

 

[EarthIsMan]

Is this the nerdgasm thread?

Carry on.

Looks like you happened to find where you belong.

 

[Doc]

@EarthIsMan

Most teams nowadays, and this is true in the NBA as well, develop a system and drill it into the ground to make it as best they can. "Toggling" styles -- e.g., a man team going zone in a particular game for match-up reasons, the way a football secondary might do -- is kind of out of favor right now in basketball. It is somewhat out of favor in football, too, unless your coach is Bill Belichick. It takes rare talent and coaching to do multiple systems well.

Most coaches and teams concentrate on one thing and doing it well.

Prohm made the decision long ago to be a team that is built around the following roles...

1 PG
3 Wings
1 Big Man

Why? I think there were fundamentally two reasons...

(1.) While this style might predate his time in Ames, from what I have seen, I think Prohm really liked how the MM-NML-MT-DB-SL team was playing in the late part of his second season, both in style and quality. That team was really good at the end of the season. I think Prohm has been coaching and recruiting to try to recreate that system.

(2.) At the same time, the guys he has recruited to it are similar to the archetypes that came from that season. I do not know if he just recruited and found he had the guys for it or found he had the guys for it and went with it, but I think it is clear that he has been trying to do something like the following in rebuilding that 2015-2016 team...

Morris/Weiler-Babb = the "do everything" facilitator PG who plays an ungodly number of minutes
Naz-Matt-Deonte-Jackson/Wigginton-THT-Shayok-TH = 3&D wings
Young/the big men this year = play defense and rebound

We did not play two big men that season because we did not have two big men.

I think, from what I can tell, we do not play two big men right now because, frankly, we do not have the sets built in to do it. I am not sure our offense is tailored to it. I do not think we play Jacobson as a stretch big because, well, Prohm never really installed that in the system from Day 1, thinking too himself long ago he would rather keep Wigginton or Shayok on the court longer instead of putting another big man out there. We are that style now.

I very much agree with you, but did want to note the Spurs are toggling styles this year. Lots more trying to get threes when the bench is on the court instead of Aldridge and DeRozan. But they have so much more time to work that out in the Nba

 

[Sigmapolis]

I very much agree with you, but did want to note the Spurs are toggling styles this year. Lots more trying to get threes when the bench is on the court instead of Aldridge and DeRozan. But they have so much more time to work that out in the Nba

The also have this guy.



Heard he was a pretty good coach.

 

[bosco]

Not worth a new thread, and I don’t want to extend the whining threads, so this is as good of place as any.

As the year wears on, I’m starting to think that Jacobson really needs to be a stretch 4 in conference play (only situationally a 5). That might help our rebounding as well (all this assuming a healthy Cam to start at the 5 with George backing him up. Jacobson to the 5 only when we match up better that way, or in case of foul trouble.

Agreed. But I think Prohm is allergic to 2 bigs on the floor at the same time.

 

[Doc]

Agreed. But I think Prohm is allergic to 2 bigs on the floor at the same time.

He did it at Murray a few years. He did it last year. I don’t think he’s allergic to it, he just keeps up with trends. I like him for it

 

[FinalFourCy]

He did it at Murray a few years. He did it last year. I don’t think he’s allergic to it, he just keeps up with trends. I like him for it

Like he has said, he just needs to be himself and do what he knows.