I agree with this... run some slants to force them to bring the corners up then that gives the receivers the opportunity to beat them on the outside... but that's also part of our issue, there are no setup plays... no attempts to misdirect the defense, this has been my main complaint with messingham all along... we line up and run the same stuff out of the same formations over and over again...
Is there a reason NOT to fire
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I agree with this... run some slants to force them to bring the corners up then that gives the receivers the opportunity to beat them on the outside... but that's also part of our issue, there are no setup plays... no attempts to misdirect the defense, this has been my main complaint with messingham all along... we line up and run the same stuff out of the same formations over and over again...
We are averaging 2.5 offensive TDs per game over our last 6 games. Take out the 6 we scored vs KU... that average drops to 1.8 offensive TDs per game.
I would like to think there are a LOT of OCs around the country that could put up those numbers. It certainly can't get any worse.
I would like to think there are a LOT of OCs around the country that could put up those numbers. It certainly can't get any worse.
No I am not doing internet OC-ing I am saying I would like to see more quick slants. I am not on here saying we should fire the OC because I think we should be doing this or that.
How can you say this isn't a bash the OC thread when the whole point of it is to get people to confirm what you think in that the OC should be fired?
Yes I am a former palyer. Here is what I saw Saturday with our offense: In the first half UNI played base defense, they did not do very much movement/blitzing and our offense did pretty good in the first half. In the second half they came out more aggressive and blitzed more and our tackles could not handle this. Unfortunately they caught us in deep slow developing pass routes when they blitzed. I can't comment on adjustments that were or weren't made at halftime because I wasn't privy to that discussion. I also can't comment on what tape on UNI showed as defensive tendency's regarding blitzing because I did not watch UNI tape. So based on these last two sentences I will not conclude that the OC should be fired.
I get it is easy to jump to OC but it's the same thing we did when Herman was here and now he is at OSU and looks like a great OC.
I posted this in another thread but this is the SIXTH time ISU has failed to score a touchdown in the second half with Messingham as the OC. Out of 14 games. Think about that...we sure aren't making adjustments to the defense. Or we are terrible at them.
So it kinda seems like when we have scored a TD in the 2nd half we have won every game?
I am sure the offensive staff is sitting in the locker room having a beer and watching whatever game is on ABC during halftime.
Can you put together those stats for the Herman years?
Part of the problem was that most were happy with the Herman hire. He had been there and done that. Mess had no experience (at this level) as a OC and it was a critical time to get someone in that spot who could hit the ground running successfully. I would venture to say most folks around here were hesitant of the hire. We needed to keep any momentum we had and not wait for Mess to learn on the job. We already had a head coach who was doing that. I gave him the benefit of the doubt because he seemed to be pretty successful as a position coach and players appeared to respect him. However, his playcalling as an OC has been head scratching. Note: this is based off of the assumption that Mess is allowed to call at will without much input from Rhoads in game. Now if Rhoads is micromanaging and its causing some communication issues, then that needs to be examined as well.
My point is that whatever "adjustments" they are doing are not working. And the numbers show that.
There you go.
Herman had a QB who didn't fit. Then he had a QB who was either a freshman or a huge reach. He had less talented receivers by all accounts. He didn't run 5 deep at RB. He ran 1 or maybe two deep there. There really isn't a comparison in pure talent level. He played Gary and West all the time. They barely play now. I firmly believe Herman doesn't lose that football game. That's beside the point. This isn't about Herman. This is about Messingham and those second half stats are not a coincidence.
I get what you are saying, but at the same time, it's a strawman argument. The issue isn't whether or not the offensive staff is working hard (I'd least I hope it isn't), the issue is that whatever they are coming up with as a result of their diligent work at half-time doesn't seem to be working.
Do you think ISU FB will ever have more than 5-6 wins with such low second half scoring?
This is exactly the mentality that people need to lose. Just because someone works hard does NOT mean they are the best person for the job. I'm sure Mess is a stand-up guy with good character. But he's failing at the OC spot when he had done pretty well at the QB/WR stuff. Sometimes there IS a best fit and you have to be willing to fix that mistake rather than let it fester. We've had more than enough time to see what the Mess experiment will bring. Talent has been upgraded yet we still get the same results. The only logical explanation is that the person calling the shots is the issue.
So no, I don't see a reason to keep him. This is like being a parent...you want your kids to respect you and sometimes that means making the hard calls. If you go through it trying to be their best friends they end up crack wh**es and felons.
