Iowa True Crime cases

[Cyclonesrule91]

The Adam Lack case is complete and utter ******** that people unfamiliar with how any of this works have bought into hook line and sinker.

You have to accept that an entire fire department, sheriff’s department, and district court judge let a guy die over an argument that didn’t even have major financial consequences. You also have to accept that a vehicle that had its brakes cut went through multiple T intersections, and crossed a state highway without the driver being aware that said brakes were cuts.

If the circumstances surrounding the Lacks deaths resulted in a conspiracy of nearly hundreds of people determined to kill them, rural Iowa would be littered with cases like this.

That is pretty much the conclusion I have come to as well. Adam's mom moved down to Waukee(after supposedly the big farmers and County board forced her to sell her disease infested open source well polluting farm ground for pennies on the dollar according to her) and we used to live in the neighborhood she moved to. She was always walking around the neighborhood getting emotional about what happened and it was actually her that got me reading the links above. If that story in those articles is even remotely true, that would be all over the news. Totally insane

The Jackie Folkerts case was a really sad one. She was such a nice girl from what I knew about her.

Oh, and I graduated high school with Dustin Honken. Not many people from small town Iowa can say the have a classmate that died on death row.

 

[BCClone]

That is pretty much the conclusion I have come to as well. Adam's mom moved down to Waukee(after supposedly the big farmers and County board forced her to sell her disease infested open source well polluting farm ground for pennies on the dollar according to her) and we used to live in the neighborhood she moved to. She was always walking around the neighborhood getting emotional about what happened and it was actually her that got me reading the links above. If that story in those articles is even remotely true, that would be all over the news. Totally insane

The Jackie Folkerts case was a really sad one. She was such a nice girl from what I knew about her.

Oh, and I graduated high school with Dustin Honken. Not many people from small town Iowa can say the have a classmate that died on death row.

It’s good that you can now come out of hiding Terry.

Wife went to visit her mom in the care center. This random women starting talking to her and mentioned that her son played for Iowa and his name was Jimmie Johnson. Took me a few minutes to realize that it was Angela’s mom ( Jimmie was angelas sister). Told the wife to make sure that her mom didn’t tick that lady off.

 

[Al_4_State]

That is pretty much the conclusion I have come to as well. Adam's mom moved down to Waukee(after supposedly the big farmers and County board forced her to sell her disease infested open source well polluting farm ground for pennies on the dollar according to her) and we used to live in the neighborhood she moved to. She was always walking around the neighborhood getting emotional about what happened and it was actually her that got me reading the links above. If that story in those articles is even remotely true, that would be all over the news. Totally insane

The Jackie Folkerts case was a really sad one. She was such a nice girl from what I knew about her.

Oh, and I graduated high school with Dustin Honken. Not many people from small town Iowa can say the have a classmate that died on death row.

I've known some of the people mentioned in that story my entire life. I realize that makes me fairly biased, and people can always put on a good face, but there is just absolutely no way that they were willing to be complicit in what amounts to state sanctioned murder over what was at stake here. They would have zero incentive, and again you have to buy into the theory that basically two whole fire departments were willing to conspire towards this murder and sweep things under the rug.

Also not discounting the near physical impossibility for a vehicle with cut brakes to get from the Lack farm to the point of the accident without either previously ditching. If the brakes were actually cut, Adam Lack knew it 10 miles before he crashed and he carried on regardless, which takes this out of the realm of murder and puts it in the realm of irresponsible behavior.

 

[Cyclonesrule91]

It’s good that you can now come out of hiding Terry.

Wife went to visit her mom in the care center. This random women starting talking to her and mentioned that her son played for Iowa and his name was Jimmie Johnson. Took me a few minutes to realize that it was Angela’s mom ( Jimmie was angelas sister). Told the wife to make sure that her mom didn’t tick that lady off.

Only Terry I know was one of Honken's victims, otherwise not picking up what you're laying down.

Angela was one evil woman no doubt about that

 

[BCClone]

Only Terry I know was one of Honken's victims, otherwise not picking up what you're laying down.

Angela was one evil woman no doubt about that

Thought cutkumps (informant)first name was terry. Bad joke if not then.

 

[Cyclonesrule91]

Thought cutkumps (informant)first name was terry. Bad joke if not then.

Tim... Ya that isn't me but he lives or lived down here in Central Iowa for awhile. Still blows me away that he was part of all this.

 

[BCClone]

Tim... Ya that isn't me but he lives or lived down here in Central Iowa for awhile. Still blows me away that he was part of all this.

Weirdest time was sitting at the wife’s home church and when we shook hands to share the peace. I shook hands in front with DeGues sister, turned around and shook with Dustin’s mom.I don’t think they shook.

 

[Cyclonesrule91]

Weirdest time was sitting at the wife’s home church and when we shook hands to share the peace. I shook hands in front with DeGues sister, turned around and shook with Dustin’s mom.I don’t think they shook.

As of 5-6 yrs ago, Dustin's Mom didn't think he killed the 5 he did. Can't imagine dealing with that as a mother and staying in the community.

You ever watch this Gangsters - America's most evil episode about him? Remember watching that it was a bit freaky. I knew he robbed the bank drive thru, or his dad supposedly did. His mom worked at the bank and I'm sure he took her key because there was no break in. In the article it said their plan was to get another classmate to do the robbery with the intent of killing them afterwards but putting the money somewhere before they did so dead classmate get's blamed but they never find the cash. Often wonder who they were targeting as the classmate. Have a few ideas

Watch Gangsters: America's Most Evil Season 3 Episode 2: Dustin Honken on Peacock

Dustin Honken was a chemist who made and sold a deadly concoction of crystal methamphetamine.

www.peacocktv.com

 

[BCClone]

As of 5-6 yrs ago, Dustin's Mom didn't think he killed the 5 he did. Can't imagine dealing with that as a mother and staying in the community.

You ever watch this Gangsters - America's most evil episode about him? Remember watching that it was a bit freaky. I knew he robbed the bank drive thru, or his dad supposedly did. His mom worked at the bank and I'm sure he took her key because there was no break in. In the article it said their plan was to get another classmate to do the robbery with the intent of killing them afterwards but putting the money somewhere before they did so dead classmate get's blamed but they never find the cash. Often wonder who they were targeting as the classmate. Have a few ideas

Watch Gangsters: America's Most Evil Season 3 Episode 2: Dustin Honken on Peacock

Dustin Honken was a chemist who made and sold a deadly concoction of crystal methamphetamine.

www.peacocktv.com

I think so. Is that the one labeled iceman from Iowa?

The mom still doesn’t believe. His sister (wife’s classmate) leans in that area also.

They robbed the drive thru. They had a dumb set up. A person would walk things down and back. Made no sense. After that, they had an elderly type man escort everyone. Was told this when I took a job at their competitor. Cops in the town at the time were bad also. I remember we accidentally set off the alarm under the teller counter and the police chief came through the drive thru and asked if everything was okay.

 

[CycloneRulzzz]

These are all towns covered on Small town Murder

Listened to: Norwalk, Bonaparte, Davenport

Yet to listen: Forest City, Earlville, Clarence, Muscatine, Libertville, Albia, Shenandoah

Earlville one was murder of Amy Mullis. Husband Todd was found guilty but on podcast they said he has alot of people who think he didn't do it, but after hearing the case I think he did it.

 

[cydsho]

I enjoy listening to true crime podcasts and like ones that go in depth on a single case at a times. A couple go state by state doing cases so I've heard a few Iowa ones. Among then are the following:

Small Town Murder

Rick Forsyth's rampage in Norwalk in 90's

Shawn Bentler in Bonaparte in 06 crazy case where his daughters got the family inheritance

James Klindt in Davenport in 80's

Spoiler: crime committed

who cut up wife with a chainsaw and put her in the Mississippi and only ended up serving 20 years

Murder in America

Vasillica Murders, Gitchie Manitou and Breasia Terrell in 2020

Michelle Martinko both United States of Murder and Killer Cases on Hulu

United States of Murder
Cari Farver
Amy Mullis
Gitchie Manitou


Unspeakable:
Noah Crooks

Mom's and Mysteries
Jodi Huisentruit

These I haven't listened to yet
Malvern Manor
Cory Wienke


Curious to hear people from areas where these happened (outside of Vallisica and Jodi these were all new to me when I heard them) and any Iowa cases that are out there that others have come by on other true crime podcasts.

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I think you mean Villisca?

 

[2speedy1]

The Adam Lack case is complete and utter ******** that people unfamiliar with how any of this works have bought into hook line and sinker.

You have to accept that an entire fire department, sheriff’s department, and district court judge let a guy die over an argument that didn’t even have major financial consequences. You also have to accept that a vehicle that had its brakes cut went through multiple T intersections, and crossed a state highway without the driver being aware that said brakes were cuts.

If the circumstances surrounding the Lacks deaths resulted in a conspiracy of nearly hundreds of people determined to kill them, rural Iowa would be littered with cases like this.

It also involved a few of the biggest ******** in the county, so that could sway things one way or another depending on how you look at it.

 

[CycloneRulzzz]

I think you mean Villisca?

I think most knew what I meant. I just made a simple spelling error.

 

[2speedy1]

I've known some of the people mentioned in that story my entire life. I realize that makes me fairly biased, and people can always put on a good face, but there is just absolutely no way that they were willing to be complicit in what amounts to state sanctioned murder over what was at stake here. They would have zero incentive, and again you have to buy into the theory that basically two whole fire departments were willing to conspire towards this murder and sweep things under the rug.

Also not discounting the near physical impossibility for a vehicle with cut brakes to get from the Lack farm to the point of the accident without either previously ditching. If the brakes were actually cut, Adam Lack knew it 10 miles before he crashed and he carried on regardless, which takes this out of the realm of murder and puts it in the realm of irresponsible behavior.

I have always thought that the story had a lot of exaggerations, embellishments and theories. My guess is that some of what the story says is true, but others are conspiracies thought up with emotions.

The real truth is always somewhere in the middle.

Keep in mind there is a reason many counties in Iowa now recommend getting rural wells tested every year. Especially in Karst areas.

That doesnt make any of it true, but it does make some of the story at least believable on the surface.

 

[Al_4_State]

I have always thought that the story had a lot of exaggerations, embellishments and theories. My guess is that some of what the story says is true, but others are conspiracies thought up with emotions.

The real truth is always somewhere in the middle.

Keep in mind there is a reason many counties in Iowa now recommend getting rural wells tested every year. Especially in Karst areas.

That doesnt make any of it true, but it does make some of the story at least believable on the surface.

I can believe the start of the conflict.

What I can’t believe is that the Osage FD, St Ansgar FD, Mitchell County Sheriff, and Judge McKinley conspired to lure Adam Lack into a high speed chase with cut brakes and stand back to watch him die in order to silence the matter, which very clearly hasn’t been silenced.

There are some individuals involved that I don’t have a real high opinion of. The volume of people who would be required to be in on this to pull it off is just way too damn high.

 

[nhclone]

I can believe the start of the conflict.

What I can’t believe is that the Osage FD, St Ansgar FD, Mitchell County Sheriff, and Judge McKinley conspired to lure Adam Lack into a high speed chase with cut brakes and stand back to watch him die in order to silence the matter, which very clearly hasn’t been silenced.

There are some individuals involved that I don’t have a real high opinion of. The volume of people who would be required to be in on this to pull it off is just way too damn high.

If you scroll down to the sources on the Cold Case webpage, Veronica is directly or indirectly the source on a huge amount of what is posted there.

She owned some farm ground not far from where I live a few years ago. She began marking a bunch of similar conspiracy claims about her neighbors polluting her water and intentionally harming her crop ground and nearby wetlands. The one specific I know of was an accusation that her upstream neighbor intentionally installed his septic system to drain onto and pollute her farm ground. The county reviewed and determined the line in question was a field tile that had likely been installed prior to her even owning the land.

I've talked to her once or twice, sweet lady but obviously has some very tragic events in her life impacting her perception of things.

 

[2speedy1]

I can believe the start of the conflict.

What I can’t believe is that the Osage FD, St Ansgar FD, Mitchell County Sheriff, and Judge McKinley conspired to lure Adam Lack into a high speed chase with cut brakes and stand back to watch him die in order to silence the matter, which very clearly hasn’t been silenced.

There are some individuals involved that I don’t have a real high opinion of. The volume of people who would be required to be in on this to pull it off is just way too damn high.

I think some of what happened that night might have been true, but others are embellished.

I dont think the brake line thing is real.

I do think there could have been someone harassing them that night, that Adam could have either tried to chase them or they were trying to chase him. I do think it is possible either he lost control in said chase, or possibly was run off the road.

The timeline on that night is suspect, it is questionable if the timeline is even close to accurate, why he was left in the vehicle at the scene for as long as he was, whether he was already dead or not.

The entire thing raises a lot of questions, while I doubt some of the story, I also think some of it is plausible, which is what makes it intriguing.

And as you also noted, I also am not a real fan of a few involved. That doesnt necessarily mean they are guilty, at least of murder or conspiracy to commit murder etc. But they very well could be guilty of some form of harassment or stalking or just being a world class jerk, or at the very least looking the other way when certain things were brought to their attention.

It could be very possible Adam thought he was in danger and in the moment made a mistake and had an accident. Not necessarily murder, but those involved sure didnt help the situation.

 

[Nor'MidWester]

Random note but one (or both idk) of the hosts of the true crime podcast Wine & Crime owns Lacheles Fine Foods in Des Moines. I've never listened but it's like top 125 in the apple comedy podcasts rankings so that's something.

 

[andybernard]

The David Moffit Grimes murder of a man while he was in bed while his fiancé slept next to him is a WILD story. One of the craziest Datelines I’ve seen.

"Dateline NBC" The Shadow (TV Episode 2015) ⭐ 7.5 | Documentary, News

2h | TV-PG

www.imdb.com

Can’t believe there hasn’t been a dateline or in-depth doc on the Ashley Okland murder. You don’t hear anything about it any more.

I worked with the fiance when that episode came out. She didn't want to do it but Dateline had said they were going forward with the story and if she didn't participate, they would most likely spend part of the episode making her look suspicious.

 

[Al_4_State]

I think some of what happened that night might have been true, but others are embellished.

I dont think the brake line thing is real.

I do think there could have been someone harassing them that night, that Adam could have either tried to chase them or they were trying to chase him. I do think it is possible either he lost control in said chase, or possibly was run off the road.

The timeline on that night is suspect, it is questionable if the timeline is even close to accurate, why he was left in the vehicle at the scene for as long as he was, whether he was already dead or not.

The entire thing raises a lot of questions, while I doubt some of the story, I also think some of it is plausible, which is what makes it intriguing.

And as you also noted, I also am not a real fan of a few involved. That doesnt necessarily mean they are guilty, at least of murder or conspiracy to commit murder etc. But they very well could be guilty of some form of harassment or stalking or just being a world class jerk, or at the very least looking the other way when certain things were brought to their attention.

It could be very possible Adam thought he was in danger and in the moment made a mistake and had an accident. Not necessarily murder, but those involved sure didnt help the situation.

I absolutely believe that someone was harassing the Lacks. That is one of the most plausible parts of the story. I believe it was probably the neighboring landowner they were spatting with.

I think Adam chased after the individual and lost control. I think that the people harassing the family have blood on their hands.

As a volunteer firefighter who has responded to probably close to 40 car crashes over the past decade, I just can't buy the idea that we would all be trying to prevent someone from actually getting saved. And if some agency, individual, or anyone else tried to strong arm us into something, you could bet that it wouldn't be received well and it wouldn't be a quiet for long. That's what I'm getting at when I say that I can't buy that all these departments were in on it and contributing and letting the guy die.