Info on Lard

[jmb]

Honestly I thought we had seen the last of Lard in a Cyclone uniform.

I haven't listened to radio in years. I am driving my sons car and it has no sat radio. Listened to Chris and the old dude from the Register. Old dude indicated that he would not be at all surprised if Cam isn't back next year. Not sure what this means after today's "announcement".

 

[Sigmapolis]

Serious question...did the team play better after Wiggs and/or Lard returned?

It was weaker competition...before Big 12 so hard to say. Right? I think it is easy to fall into that trap.

Look at last year. We were 10-2 last year going into Big 12 play. We all know how that ended up.

https://cyclones.com/schedule.aspx?schedule=1162

It didn’t get unequivocally better.

You can make the case it got worse. Checking on the relevant game scores...

http://www.barttorvik.com/team.php?team=Iowa+St.

Filtering/averaging our W-L records and average Barttorvik game scores based on several criteria. I added the data for the Big 12 and out of conference, too.

Remember, the game scores give you a grade for an individual game based on how you played (e.g., net rating) adjusted for the level of competition and home court.

Beating Chicago State by 1 and losing to Texas Tech by one... to the records, one is a W and the other is an L, but to the scores, they would hose you for almost letting an awful team beat you while reward you for playing an excellent basketball team well.



I think @nfrine was onto something. We were better -- not just in the W-L sense, but in the net efficiency sense, too -- before the Big 12 and without LW and CL.

The game scores also say that missing Wigginton was a bigger deal than missing Lard.

Going from an 85.8% to a 82.0% might not seem like much, but that is a difference of our OOC team being roughly 13.5 teams better than our Big 12 team.

 

[Tre4ISU]

Cam has been a defensive liability and a poor rebounder for his size and athleticism. Energy is great, one of those immeasurables, but when you lack the fundamentals, energy can be overrated IMO.

lol. Wrong.

 

[Tre4ISU]

Cam clearly is not sure what he should do, either. He’s not the only one on the team that makes mistakes, but he’s a bigger liability than Jacobson.

I agree though, at this point Babb should play as though there’s no help on the screen. If this is as good as Lard can do, just stay in the paint.

Not really. Jacobson cuts his losses and boxes out when challenged but he doesn't rebound at a much higher rate so I'm not sure if that's worth much. Lard will challenge shots which pulls him out of position to rebound but the pressure put on him by the perimeter defense is unfair.

 

[Sigmapolis]

Addendum --

Here is what happens when you extract the... ahem... outlier game in Morgantown.



The both/neither and Big 12/OOC scores are virtually identical without that disaster.

I think the case is we're either the same or, if anything, slightly worse with them back. I do not see a case here that we are somehow really any better.

 

[FinalFourCy]

Not really. Jacobson cuts his losses and boxes out when challenged but he doesn't rebound at a much higher rate so I'm not sure if that's worth much. Lard will challenge shots which pulls him out of position to rebound but the pressure put on him by the perimeter defense is unfair.

He’s a bigger liability in the sense we’re a team that already struggles to keep guys in front, and we get worse when you have Lard playing cluelessly. ORebs not only go up with Lard in, but so do opponents shots in the paint. A lot of people would have guessed Lard is the better defender, but if anything the opposite is true.

It’s unfair? These are routine basketball plays he’s struggling with. Teams have identified how easy it is to exploit Lard and take him out of the game.

 

[Cyinthenorth]

honestly it is because he’s been it in bad positions. How many times does he try to over help because are guards don’t stop penetration. That causes him to be out of position for rebounds. It goes to my complaints about the strategy this year. What is the plan. It works well when we are stopping penetration but most of the time we aren’t.

lol. Wrong.

How so? I see a lot of flailing around to block shots and losing track of his man, or leaving the opponent unguarded for an easy offensive rebound. Not just against Baylor, but against pretty much everyone. I don't get why people are so quick to defend the obvious without giving reasons or evidence

 

[UNIclonefan]

Hopefully practice will include lessons on boxing out.

 

[Tre4ISU]

He’s a bigger liability in the sense we’re a team that already struggles to keep guys in front, and we get worse when you have Lard playing cluelessly. ORebs not only go up with Lard in, but so do opponents shots in the paint. A lot of people would have guessed Lard is the better defender, but if anything the opposite is true.

It’s unfair? These are routine basketball plays he’s struggling with. Teams have identified how easy it is to exploit Lard and take him out of the game.

Yes, it's unfair to constantly put Lard in a position to have to guard two guys because you can't stay in front of your man.

 

[HFCS]

Hopefully practice will include lessons on boxing out.

Show THT some footage of Fizer and Chuck using that rear end to knock some fools down boxing out.

 

[Tre4ISU]

How so? I see a lot of flailing around to block shots and losing track of his man, or leaving the opponent unguarded for an easy offensive rebound. Not just against Baylor, but against pretty much everyone. I don't get why people are so quick to defend the obvious without giving reasons or evidence

He has no good choice. His choices are to contest shots in the paint or try to rebound like Jacobson does. Jacobson does it the opposite way of Lard and he doesn't rebound at a much higher percentage. He doesn't rebound at a higher percentage because in that scenario, the shots go in. It's been a said a million times, but if you allow dribble penetration, you will not be a good rebounding team. Ever.

 

[FinalFourCy]

Yes, it's unfair to constantly put Lard in a position to have to guard two guys because you can't stay in front of your man.

Guards simply getting blown by is happening relatively equally to Lard, Jacobson, and Conditt. That is more frequent than we’d like, but the bigger issue (as well as the one being discussed) is our trouble with ball-screens. That goes up with Lard in the game, as do offensive rebounds and penetration off a rotating defense. When Lard is at his best, he can alter enough shots to outweigh his lack of discipline. Unfortunately opponents long ago discovered how to manipulate Lard.

 

[FinalFourCy]

He has no good choice. His choices are to contest shots in the paint or try to rebound like Jacobson does. Jacobson does it the opposite way of Lard and he doesn't rebound at a much higher percentage. He doesn't rebound at a higher percentage because in that scenario, the shots go in. It's been a said a million times, but if you allow dribble penetration, you will not be a good rebounding team. Ever.

Didn’t Haaland have PPP numbers that confirm dribble penetration goes up with Lard, likely due to his struggles with ball screens?

 

[Sigmapolis]

Didn’t Haaland have PPP numbers that confirm dribble penetration goes up with Lard, likely due to his struggles with ball screens.

This...?

https://cyclonefanatic.com/2019/02/...nt-shot-the-defensive-difference-in-cam-lard/

 

[CTTB78]

.... Listened to Chris and the old dude from the Register. Old dude indicated that he would not be at all surprised if Cam isn't back next year. Not sure what this means after today's "announcement".

This a Randy beating on the drama drum. Until I hear from CSP that Cam won't return, I fully expect him back in Cardinal and Gold next year.

 

[NetflixAndClone]

Good, we will need him vs Baylor.

 

[SpokaneCY]

This year I just don’t know what our strategy is. I’m sure he gets out of position by himself sometimes but I think there is only so much one can do. I’ve never thought he was our best big. I just think people are going from inflating him to being overly critical. He still is a better defender than Jacobson.

Lard is a high energy physical player. I don’t think he has the skill set or mentality to be a great rebounder. I do think he provides value if he is allowed to play. Young is our best all around post and I think Conditt has the highest ceiling of them. Jacobson frankly is a 4 whose played out of position all year.

How can he be a better defender if he can’t stay on the floor? How can he be a better defender if he’s good for a foul every other defensive possession?

 

[SpokaneCY]

This year could have been special with a healthy Solomon Young. I truly believe that.

I think he’s a real glue and toughness guy. I think Jacobsen is a toughness guy. The rest are fragile or learning what toughness is after going through the league.

 

[SpokaneCY]

That little kid has some serious swagger.

OG right there and I mean it in a great way. Would buy that kid a beer.

 

[Sigmapolis]

I think he’s a real glue and toughness guy. I think Jacobsen is a toughness guy. The rest are fragile or learning what toughness is after going through the league.

We lost a starter to injury... and barely talk about it.