I want to Believe

[Cloneon]

This may have already been discussed. I live very near the Green Bank Observatory. In their museum they mathematically prove there's not only life, but intelligent life. Now, I'm sure the debate has already been launched as to how 'close' they are to earth. That is anyone's guess. But, one thing which will always resonate with me was what the late Stephen Hawking said when questioned about intelligent life.
1. How do you know they're not already here. The sheer magnitude of shapes (despite being carbon based) they can appear in is astronomical
2. If they're not here, the most likely reason is the technology they've created to traverse the stars has already been used to destroy themselves.
Something to chew on.

 

[BCClone]

So, if Alien UFOs aren’t real, am I not to believe all those people who say they got abducted and anal probed?

 

[nfrine]

In my opinion, the aliens have already landed.

 

[BryceC]

I agree for the most part, but when you have very credible sources like decorated military pilots and now a former president of the United States saying we have documented evidence of UFOs out there its kind of hard to ignore. There are totally unexplained phenomena flying around out there. That is not in question anymore.

I 100% believe there are UFO's. I 100% do not believe they are anything related to aliens.

Are you an Athiest? Just curious.

I am almost obsessed with aliens/UFOs. Such an interesting subject. I spend probably way too much time studying the subject.

I'm the exact opposite. If Williams wouldn't bring it up I wouldn't think about it at all. As soon as he starts talking about it on a pod I just turn it off immediately. Again I don't think it's impossible there is other life. I think it's certainly possible but I would lean on it being unlikely. I think it's possible aliens have come here but I think that's almost zero, not even worth thinking about.

 

[Turn2]

... If Williams wouldn't bring it up I wouldn't think about it at all. As soon as he starts talking about it on a pod I just turn it off immediately...

Sorry to hijack your quote, but this is one of our family mantras.

 

[CloneIce]

Those objects that have been caught on camera and radar and tracked and verified several times by the Navy - there are three potential origins:

1. They are man made, which means some country has developed a propulsion and flight technology far beyond the capabilities of the US military. Or they could be our own but I think most aerospace engineers would tell you they are beyond our known capabilities and understanding of physics.

2. They are extraterrestrial in origin.

3. They are human made... in the future. And at some point in the distant future our species has achieved the ability to travel through time.

 

[CloneIce]

I 100% believe there are UFO's. I 100% do not believe they are anything related to aliens.



I'm the exact opposite. If Williams wouldn't bring it up I wouldn't think about it at all. As soon as he starts talking about it on a pod I just turn it off immediately. Again I don't think it's impossible there is other life. I think it's certainly possible but I would lean on it being unlikely. I think it's possible aliens have come here but I think that's almost zero, not even worth thinking about.

When you say life, are you meaning highly intelligent life with great technology capable of interstellar travel? Or just life in general?

Personally I think we’ll eventually discover some sort of bacterial life somewhere in our own solar system, most likely on one of the moons of Saturn or Jupiter. The oceans of Europa seem like a strong candidate.

 

[BryceC]

When you say life, are you meaning highly intelligent life with great technology capable of interstellar travel? Or just life in general?

Personally I think we’ll eventually discover some sort of bacterial life somewhere in our own solar system, most likely on one of the moons of Saturn or Jupiter. The oceans of Europa seem like a strong candidate.

Life in general I'm assuming exists, at least some bacterial life.

Highly intelligent life capable of reaching earth on the same timeframe we are alive, choosing to show itself in these weird ways or showing off their technology and not revealing themselves... No. Don't believe it for a second even if I acknowledge it's possible.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

Those objects that have been caught on camera and radar and tracked and verified several times by the Navy - there are three potential origins:

1. They are man made, which means some country has developed a propulsion and flight technology far beyond the capabilities of the US military. Or they could be our own but I think most aerospace engineers would tell you they are beyond our known capabilities and understanding of physics.

2. They are extraterrestrial in origin.

3. They are human made... in the future. And at some point in the distant future our species has achieved the ability to travel through time.

Time travel is not possible. It's already happened, you can't re-materialize something. You could go forward in time without aging but that's not really time travel, that's just the nature of the speed of light. I can 99.9% guarantee those propulsion systems are not of human origin.

 

[CloneIce]

Life in general I'm assuming exists, at least some bacterial life.

Highly intelligent life capable of reaching earth on the same timeframe we are alive, choosing to show itself in these weird ways or showing off their technology and not revealing themselves... No. Don't believe it for a second even if I acknowledge it's possible.

Gotcha. Yeah, that’s the hard part. I think you or another poster said this above, us humans have barely been here for a blip in our planets timeline. And we’ve only achieved flight for a century or so. And nowhere near capable of interstellar flight - and the sad truth is well likely kill ourselves off before we ever do. Matching timelines and technology will be a helluva challenge.

However, I have read some theorizing on what a civilization that reaches those capabilities would ultimately become. Many believe once that level is reached, a truly interstellar civilization could move out of their solar system and the dangers inherit to being stuck on one fragile planet and be capable of lasting incredibly long. The mega civilization well could expand their reach throughout the galaxy over a timeline of millions to hundreds of millions of years.
Ultimately increasing the likelihood that they are around as life on other solar systems rises and falls.

 

[CloneIce]

Time travel is not possible. It's already happened, you can't re-materialize something. You could go forward in time without aging but that's not really time travel, that's just the nature of the speed of light. I can 99.9% guarantee those propulsion systems are not of human origin.

Then that leaves one strong possibility of their origins...

 

[Turn2]

Time travel is not possible. It's already happened, you can't re-materialize something. You could go forward in time without aging but that's not really time travel, that's just the nature of the speed of light. I can 99.9% guarantee those propulsion systems are not of human origin.

150 years ago we were limited to the speed of the wind or horses. 150 years from now?

Research Group Proposes Way to Travel Faster than Speed of Light

New research from an American physicist working in Germany proposes a theoretical way to travel faster than the speed of light. If possible, such an idea would greatly speed up space travel.

learningenglish.voanews.com

 

[Turn2]

The poll says "Universe" but is it possible to hop between multiverses?

Can We Reach Other Universes?

Navigating the Hypothetical Multiverse

medium.com

 

[Cyclonepride]

I saw a tweet yesterday on these military videos that made more sense than anything else (from an engineer), and that was that these are not actual craft, but some means of purposeful electronic interference that fools our detection systems into thinking something is there when it really isn't.

 

[CloneIce]

I saw a tweet yesterday on these military videos that made more sense than anything else (from an engineer), and that was that these are not actual craft, but some means of purposeful electronic interference that fools our detection systems into thinking something is there when it really isn't.

The challenge with that idea is that we have so many pilots who have seen them visually with their own two eyes. So the interference would not only have to fool their high tech detections systems including Infrared, but the human brain as well. I suppose that’s possible but quite the feat.

In a lot of ways, I find the idea of a rival nation with these technologies (either propulsion or this idea on tricking our systems and our very eyes) to be more disconcerting than the idea of it being extraterrestrial in nature.

 

[aeroclone]

The challenge with that idea is that we have so many pilots who have seen them visually with their own two eyes. So the interference would not only have to fool their high tech detections systems including Infrared, but the human brain as well. I suppose that’s possible but quite the feat.

In a lot of ways, I find the idea of a rival nation with these technologies (either propulsion or this idea on tricking our systems and our very eyes) to be more disconcerting than the idea of it being extraterrestrial in nature.

I find the idea of a rival nation having this technology to be more unlikely than ET. The idea that another nation could make not one but many massive scientific advances required to build these things and keep it secret just doesn't make sense. We don't have even a theoretical understanding of how these things work at this point. Then it is another huge leap to actually build it. And they have been around for decades. Surely if someone had it figured out that long ago, others would have gotten at least pieces of it by now.

 

[Cyclonepride]

The challenge with that idea is that we have so many pilots who have seen them visually with their own two eyes. So the interference would not only have to fool their high tech detections systems including Infrared, but the human brain as well. I suppose that’s possible but quite the feat.

In a lot of ways, I find the idea of a rival nation with these technologies (either propulsion or this idea on tricking our systems and our very eyes) to be more disconcerting than the idea of it being extraterrestrial in nature.

I guess I'm not aware of how many of these (and which ones) are visually confirmed vs just showing up or tracked via technology. Maybe some of them use the refraction of light to project an image that isn't really there? If confirmed visually and electronically, that would seem quite hard to coordinate though.

 

[Turn2]

Relevant thread from a PSU Astrophysicist on UFO-ology vs. the SETI project.

 

[CascadeClone]

In a lot of ways, I find the idea of a rival nation with these technologies (either propulsion or this idea on tricking our systems and our very eyes) to be more disconcerting than the idea of it being extraterrestrial in nature.

It's also possible that it's our own government doing all this as a strategic ruse for the Russians & Chinese.

Expose non-existent fantastical tech.
Rivals assume it's USA tech and freak out how far ahead we are.
Rivals deterred, or at least given tremendous pause about taking a shot at the title.
Rivals spend a lot of time, money, and resources working on a red herring.

Worked with SDI on the USSR.

How's that for meta level conspiracy theory?

 

[CYCLNST8]

Our own Mars probes got me to thinking that most (if not all) of what we are observing could be similarly, but obviously way more advanced, "unmanned" craft. Data gatherers only; strictly avoiding confrontation. Hence the lack of actual contact.