Help me shake my pessimisim
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Why do some people look at Iowa as an unbeatable team? They are middle of the pack big 10 team, which makes them a middle of the pack Big 12 team. If we want to be good we need to beat these teams. Why run away scared of Iowa? They aren't Alabama, we can actually beat Iowa. Nebraska is probably better than Iowa, and we were one poorly thrown ball away from beating them.
No... we became a super power when we had a thriving middle class. We now only have a thriving top 5%. If nobody in the bottom 95% have any money to spend, how do you figure we'll thrive?
Texas pretty much has everything. Does that guarantee a succesful year every single season... no. But do you really believe Texas will continue to have years like this one going forward? I don't. They get all the money, while ISU, KU, KSU, etc get next to nothing. Not exactly a formula for success.... sorry.
The Big 12 is probably on shakier ground than nearly any conference due to the inequities involved. That's just the way it is. But ISU really has no choice right now. We are Texas' b***h.... but it beats being in the Missouri Valley Conference, so we're stuck.
If we want to go to bowls... we will have to get rid of Iowa on the schedule. We just cannot compete year in and year out with Texas, Oklahoma, Okie St, Texas A&M, etc. Especially when we have to play them all every single year now. You add Iowa to that mix, and it gets nearly impossible to get to 6 or 7 wins. Maybe once in a great while we can, but not as consistently as we need to be a succesful program.
MODs - after reading most of this thread I respectfully request that you change the thread title to "Please reinforce my pessimism" for accuracy.
Thanks.
Thanks.
Our football facilities overall are not at the level they need to be. A new football specific practice facility needs to be a priority. It doesn't have to be fancy, it can be a steel building like the basketball one, but it needs to have quality amenities. Money doesn't directly help recruiting, but through better facilities and things, it helps recruiting.
Ya, whoops, missed the bowl game.
To me, this whole thread started with the very real concern that Texas will continue to crap big turds on us to and use us as their Washington Generals until it is no longer convenient. If and when Texas leaves for a Superconference, you and I and Jamie Pollard will be the last to know......and then we will be sitting helplessly begging the WAC to play with us. I hope our people are looking at proactive solutions to this. The Big 12 is in temporary, very short term existence right now.
And below we have the posterboy for the whiney, crybaby, defeatist attitude of which you speak. Unfortunately, he's far from alone...
They are looking at different scenarios.
The best scenario, BY FAR, is the Big 12. It's not as temporary as people think.
Maybe you can man up,
Things are looking better.
Our football team is better overall, and if things roll our way,
it will continue, to get better.
Here are some things to think about:
If we get a QB that is good, we will be bowl bound next year.
I actually expect our defense to get better in 2011 and 2012.
Texas could continue to go downhill, and it is possible we may see them loose in Ames in 2011.
The Iowa Hawkeyes will likely see changes to their coordinators soon.
Changes like this will bring them down a knoch.
They are 3 drug arrest away from who knows what?
Nebraska is going to the Big 10, which could leave future Texas recruits to ISU.
Nebraska will quickly get tired of Bo Pelini if they do not win, and their scedule is tougher than ever next year.
The Big 12 may actually expand, adding two to four teams quality teams.
You know Jamie Pollard will do what is needed to improve our facilities,
even if the Board of Regents thinks we need to be happy with what we have.
What two teams are the Big 12 going to pick up?
Boise St.?
Notre Dame?
BYU? That would be hilarious if we added Notre Dame and BYU.
Cinncinnati or Louisville?(does not really benfit us)
Could Arkansas come back to the SWC that they left before?
To answer another poster, the geographic continuousness (word?) of the old Big8 is what made it great. There were no road games you could not drive to if you wanted to. You usually worked or interacted with someone from any school in the conference which made it fun. Now, do you know anyone you razz from Baylor? Didn't think so. Texas screwed up the SWC and they did the same with Big12 with their arrogance and greed....they need to realize the health of all teams is in their interest.
Boise St.?
Notre Dame?
BYU? That would be hilarious if we added Notre Dame and BYU.
Cinncinnati or Louisville?(does not really benfit us)
Could Arkansas come back to the SWC that they left before?
To answer another poster, the geographic continuousness (word?) of the old Big8 is what made it great. There were no road games you could not drive to if you wanted to. You usually worked or interacted with someone from any school in the conference which made it fun. Now, do you know anyone you razz from Baylor? Didn't think so. Texas screwed up the SWC and they did the same with Big12 with their arrogance and greed....they need to realize the health of all teams is in their interest.
Thank you...I also get tired of bashing the fans. ISU fans are some of the best most loyal there is. There just simply are not enough of us. Anyone that thinks otherwise is flat wrong.
I also should have figured you can't have a serious conversation on a message board. You either get people wanting to leave the conference or the people call you a cry baby for expressing your concern.
I also get really sick of the blow-hards...you know, the "we just have to beat Iowa" tough guy crowd. What's our record against Iowa the last 6 years again? Arguing on a message board that Iowa is a mediocre program does not make it so. They are an elite program whether you like it or not. They are also the first to bring up KSU like what happened there just happens all the time. But don't tell them how Snyder actually turned it around at KSU...like NOT scheduling teams like Iowa and also having the luxury of 4 OOC games against the Sisters of the Poor University.
To be honest I have gotten some extra optimism from this thread. Some posters like Yaman3 have posted some rationally optimistic posts. I'm hopeful about our recruiting class and some of the young players we have in the program...so plenty to be optimistic about. As long as we have CPR I think we have plenty of reasons to be hopeful.
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Geez, if Mississippi State can rise to prominence, then Iowa State sure the hell can. Anyone here been to Starkville? I have. It reminds me of Newton, or Oskaloosa. They have the lowest budget in the SEC, and pretty close to ISU's.
But they hired the right coach in Mullen, and off they go. We can do it here. It's been done elsewhere at harder places.
But they hired the right coach in Mullen, and off they go. We can do it here. It's been done elsewhere at harder places.
Fair enough. I get sick of the people with their head stuck so far up their *** that they refuse to see dynamic, ongoing progress, and have to moan about how the whole world is stacked against them and their team. :wink:
The reality is that with the attitude that you and those of a similar ilk project, the Cyclones wouldn't have beaten Texas Tech this year, because they are "always" a Top 25 team, and that will never change. So how can we compete with that?
With that attitude, the Cyclones never would have beaten Texas, in Austin. No, not mighty Texas! The team that has all the advantages, the money, the schedule, and brings in all of those highly touted recruits! They would have just rolled over, and let a mediocre team have their way with us.
With that attitude, playing in Lincoln last year, the reserves filling in for injured starters should have just sat down and watched the Huskers run over, around and through them--because they have all that rich history, all those championships, all those die hard fans.
After all, all of those teams are impossible to beat, by your logic.
By the way--as far as the record versus Iowa the last six years--do you have a clue what it was the fifteen years before Danny Mac started beating 'em like a drum?
The entire underlying logic of your post is that everything remains static and unchanging. I have watched both this team and the coaching improve over the last two years under CPR. I am confident that process will continue.
My biggest concern about a stuttering offense isn't the wideouts, but an offensive line that doesn't always offer adequate protection for the quarterback to set up (let alone deliver the ball in stride), or the wideouts to run their routes to fruition. More time for each means more passes have a better chance of being caught.
The defense was entirely pathetic a couple of years ago, and is steadily morphing into a scrappy, antagonistic bunch. Give Wally Burnham a few more tools, as I see lurking amongst this class (not to mention the redshirts), and watch out.
I like where this team is heading. I'm looking for opportunities for them to succeed, rather than reasons to run away and hide. And that is hardly aimed solely at the OP.
"Blow hard" indeed. :skeptical:
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Please expound on your statement. Hopefully you don't consider 3 offensive points against Iowa in each of the 2008 and 2009 games against them and one TD in garbage time of the 2010 game as being anything but failure.
I understand why some fans want to continue playing Iowa, I do. I understand that the game we get against them every two years at home really helps our revenue for those years. But dumping that game will allow us a better opportunity to make bowl games and generate better W-L records, and with that success will come revenue to match or exceed that which is gained once every other year by playing Iowa.
Our record against Iowa in the last 10 meetings is 4-6. We MUST remove that 40% chance of winning one of our 3 OOC games and replace it with one that is closer to 85-90% chance of winning. We have to.
They're not unbeatable by any stretch, but we're only winning 40% against them in the past 10 years. We were able to survive doing this with 3 other OOC games on the schedule that we could usually count on wins from, but now we can't have a third of our OOC games being against an opponent that we are beating less than 50% of the time. Its not about running away scared of Iowa, its about building a winning program, and that comes from building confidence early in the season against creampuffs and then playing bowl games around the holidays and attracting recruits.
