Firing CPR is a big mistake

[bellzisu]

It's time.. I wanted it to work so damn bad. But as I was sitting at Bill Snyder Stadium watching us **** this game down our leg it became completely clear it has to end now with CPR.

All 12 people on our group has no desire of renewing tickets next year unless it was with a different coach in place.

Also, I don't think many people understand this. If CPR was back next year, we would probably have a new defensive coordinator, and a couple other coaches to replace from what was left over from Mangino's offensive staff.

Who would want to come here knowing CPR had 1 more year to prove himself?

 

[Shawker]

Yep, it is like being put on probation at work and then showing up the next monday drunk smoking a joint with a hooker under your arm. Almost like you want to get fired.

I think the big question here would be...is the hooker dead in this scenario?

 

[Cyclonick182]

I think the big question here would be...is the hooker dead in this scenario?

I mean....if you're into that kind of thing.

 

[Cycsk]

Some of you talk about "turning around the program." What does that mean? 9 or 10 wins? Or getting to a bowl? I don't think any coach is going to take us from where we are to 10 wins in just a few years. The path starts with basic improvement. As frustrating as these losses have been, I think we were poised for a good step forward next year, particularly based on our recent player recruitment. Firing CPR may be the best decision in the long run and needed to keep some stakeholders happy, but I think our best chance at a bowl next year would have been with CPR, not with a coach who is yet to be named. If we lose current players and recruits, this could be more disastrous than anything CPR could have done wrong.

 

[awd4cy]

ISU has a small margin for error. Recruiting high level talent is difficult. We need coaches who put us in a position to win. Sadly, more often than not, Rhoads put us in a position that cost us wins. Wins are tough to come by here. We can't afford a coach to cost us any.

It's a much bigger margin for error than you think. Paul Rhoads tenure was filled with a lot of error.

 

[Die4Cy]

Some of you talk about "turning around the program." What does that mean? 9 or 10 wins? Or getting to a bowl? I don't think any coach is going to take us from where we are to 10 wins in just a few years. The path starts with basic improvement. As frustrating as these losses have been, I think we were poised for a good step forward next year, particularly based on our recent player recruitment. Firing CPR may be the best decision in the long run and needed to keep some stakeholders happy, but I think our best chance at a bowl next year would have been with CPR, not with a coach who is yet to be named. If we lose current players and recruits, this could be more disastrous than anything CPR could have done wrong.

"Turning around the program" is not defined only by the number of wins a coach gets. I think that's why JP and Leath supported Rhoads as long as they did, despite losing seasons. He did positively change the culture here, and survived a realignment saga that imperiled the program. Like most of us, they really wanted him to succeed, and gave him every opportunity. But, like McCarney, at some point the overall credibility of the program is in doubt the longer you continue down that path without result. CPR knows and understands this. I bet today's presser will be a somber one, but not bitter. ISU treated him right, and he did all he could. At this point it is time to move in another direction.

 

[ISUKyro]

One.................. just 1, ******* winning season in the last decade and you have the balls to say you want to keep the guy that was here for 70% of that time. GTFO

 

[inCyteful]

CF never disappoints.

I literally leaped out of bed this morning anticipating quality threads like this and I was not disappointed.

The EXACT reason CPR needed to go is because of how close we were to wins. The talent is on this team. This coaching team has invented ways to waste opportunities one could never imagine. The only consistency we have had is ******* up.

It happens, it doesn't reflect bad on the man, just on the product he delivered. He will be fine. ISU will be fine.

Only mistake that could have been made yesterday was doing nothing.

 

[Cyballzz]

The last 2 years aside (those were horrible) and not many there. But I think we really turned the corner this year. Not only were we competitive but we played very, very well at home for the first time in years. We were in position to have a chance to win 7 games with the toughest schedule in the nation. Unfortunately we couldn't close the deal on any of those 4 games.

I think someone said Rhoads is 3-13 in games decided by 7 or less. If you split those 16 5-50, that's 5 more wins and I would bet Rhoads would be the head coach next year with 5 more wins over the years (especially with 3 more this year).

The thing is he didn't split those games... he lost them all. That's not bad luck; that's a trend.

 

[brianhos]

Love the guy, but it was time. I was not going to renew my seats/donation next year. Not worth $2500/year to go watch that for my family.

 

[Frak]

Man, I wanted it to work and I really do think that he turned things around. But you just can't lose games like ISU lost the last two. Not in Year 7 following the two seasons they just had. Bellz is right about the assistant coaches. There's a good chance that CPR would have been looking for a new DC next year anyway as well as replacements for Tommy M. and Blaney. It's sad, but it is time to move on. CPR will be fine.

 

[Max57]

.... As a person with a mathematical background (hell, just a person with a brain) it seems it's overwhelming unlikely that out next hire will bring us consistent success, and perhaps, likely that the excitement for ISU football and our record attendances will have diminished by the end of his tenure; possibly more than what it would after one more failed Rhoads season. ....

As a person "with a mathematical background", you understand that all we needed to do was take a knee and waste like 5 seconds in three plays, right? Those kinds of decisions are inexcusable. Most HS coaches, most fans, the announcers, etc. all knew the game was over. Take the knee. Wow.

 

[Walden4Prez]

Sure, he wet the bed... But he put the ball in the hands of our best players. He took us to three bowls, had one season where we were a 5 yard wide open pass away from bowling and this season where we were three bounces away from bowling. That is unprecedented in ISU history. Sure, we had two bad seasons. The players love the guy and we were vastly improved this season. Are we really going to find another guy who loves the school and is dedicated to the job? I think that they should have at least waited another week instead of the knee jerk reaction. I am equally not happy about the tweet from Mangino and hate to see him proved right. Just don't like the feel of this all around. We should pay a heck of a lot of attention to what Lazard and Warren think. I was really on the fire CPR bandwagon at one point this season. Now it just doesn't feel right to replace him.

He **** the bed, rubbed it in his hair, then lit the bed on fire.

I was looking for the in this post but sadly one does not exist.

 

[SyracuseCyclone]

I thought the team looked good enough in games against the non super power offenses to bring him back.

But the Kansas St loss is unforgivable. Losing 2 games in a row to them that should have been easy W's is a good enough reason to move on. I don't know what to even say about the end of that game but it wasn't Rhoads that fumbled.



I didn't want Syracuse to fire its coach but he put the already concussed true Fr QB back in a blowout game in the 4th and he picked up another concussion. New AD and not enough wins means thats the straw that broke the camels back.

 

[SyracuseCyclone]

Bad time to be looking there are a lot of openings in better recruiting areas at schools that will have the same type of expectations.

 

[cycloneworld]

The thing is he didn't split those games... he lost them all. That's not bad luck; that's a trend.

That's my whole point. Games were there to be won. And he didn't win them.

But there is talent here to compete.

 

[2clones4cy]

Bad time to be looking there are a lot of openings in better recruiting areas at schools that will have the same type of expectations.

There is never a good time to be looking for a coach. Besided it wouldnt matter, we will get a coach with Midwest ties im sure. I hate how everyone says "there are too many openings to find a good coach" there is some coaches/coordinators that will come here for the challenge.

 

[clonebb]

All I want is to win the games we should and win a few that we maybe shouldn't every year. So, this year, beating UNI, IA, Toledo, Kansas, Texas, KSU, OSU and Baylor or TCU would have been a successful year and that is what a quality coach would have done. There is no reason, other than coaching that we didn't have 7 or 8 wins this year.

 

[Wesley]

Sure, he wet the bed... But he put the ball in the hands of our best players. He took us to three bowls, had one season where we were a 5 yard wide open pass away from bowling and this season where we were three bounces away from bowling. That is unprecedented in ISU history. Sure, we had two bad seasons. The players love the guy and we were vastly improved this season. Are we really going to find another guy who loves the school and is dedicated to the job? I think that they should have at least waited another week instead of the knee jerk reaction. I am equally not happy about the tweet from Mangino and hate to see him proved right. Just don't like the feel of this all around. We should pay a heck of a lot of attention to what Lazard and Warren think. I was really on the fire CPR bandwagon at one point this season. Now it just doesn't feel right to replace him.

Just more excuses to stand pat at three wins. Wins are what counts.

 

[LutherBlue]

Some of you talk about "turning around the program." What does that mean? 9 or 10 wins? Or getting to a bowl? I don't think any coach is going to take us from where we are to 10 wins in just a few years. The path starts with basic improvement. As frustrating as these losses have been, I think we were poised for a good step forward next year, particularly based on our recent player recruitment. Firing CPR may be the best decision in the long run and needed to keep some stakeholders happy, but I think our best chance at a bowl next year would have been with CPR, not with a coach who is yet to be named. If we lose current players and recruits, this could be more disastrous than anything CPR could have done wrong.

Good point. We could be looking at 2 or 3 win season if this happens.