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NFL: Favre has cracked rib?

ISUFan22 said:
Who's job is it to bench a player at any position? The player or HC?

Certainly tough to bench a future HOF but if that's what needed to be done and the HC felt another guy gave 'em a better chance to win, then he has to do it.

I'd contend that no other QB on that roster gave them a better chance to win than a dinged up Favre.
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Mangino didn't do them any favors with his playcalling, either.

They averaged only 20 rushing attempts per game over those last 5 games compared with 35 pass attempts. This is with a top 10 ranked rushing attack. There were a lot of factors that contributed to the Jets' collapse last year, but you can't deny that Favre was a huge part of it.
 
ISUFan22 said:
Who's job is it to bench a player at any position? The player or HC?

Certainly tough to bench a future HOF but if that's what needed to be done and the HC felt another guy gave 'em a better chance to win, then he has to do it.

I'd contend that no other QB on that roster gave them a better chance to win than a dinged up Favre.
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and we'll never know for sure, because they didn't even give the backups a chance to do it.

If it was Alex Smith, Saun King, or Trent Dilfer (who has as many super bowl championships as Favre) throwing a bit over a 2-1 pick-to-TD ratio, they would have tried out Corky from Life Goes On, just in case. But since it was Favre, no way can you bench the dude.
 
jdewaard said:
Mangino didn't do them any favors with his playcalling, either.

They averaged only 20 rushing attempts per game over those last 5 games compared with 35 pass attempts. This is with a top 10 ranked rushing attack. There were a lot of factors that contributed to the Jets' collapse last year, but you can't deny that Favre was a huge part of it.
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Schottenheimer is and was the OC for the Jets. He is regarded as one of the best in the league, so I wouldn't put it on him...
 
cybsball20 said:
Did Favre complete any passes THROWN over 8 yards tonight?
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Well first, it is the West Coast offense. Short passes are kind of the idea.

Second, yes he did. Had a nice completion to Shiancoe in the first half that was longer than 8 yards.
 
cybsball20 said:
Schottenheimer is and was the OC for the Jets. He is regarded as one of the best in the league, so I wouldn't put it on him...
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well then whose is responsible for that kind of unbalanced game calling?
 
jdewaard said:
Well first, it is the West Coast offense. Short passes are kind of the idea.

Second, yes he did. Had a nice completion to Shiancoe in the first half that was longer than 8 yards.
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Nah, he threw that one 5, and got maybe 8... I saw alot of attempts over 8 yards but not any completions...
 
jdewaard said:
well then whose is responsible for that kind of unbalanced game calling?
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there's this thing called audibles. You see, when the QB thinks he's read the defense, or is a future HoF who thinks he has to personally win every game on the strength of his arm, or thinks that checking from a run to a pass gives him a better chance of staying ahead of Peyton Manning in the record books, he changes the play at the line. Then, if he's a really special kind of quarterback, he can turn that called HB dive into a pick-six for the other team.

Favre audibled a lot last year.
 
cybsball20 said:
Nah, he threw that one 5, and got maybe 8... I saw alot of attempts over 8 yards but not any completions...
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Just watched it on NFL.com. He was flushed out of the pocket, and threw the ball 10 plus yards through the air, and Shiancoe ran for approximately 9 more yards for a 19 yard gain.
 
Clone_12 said:
2. Probably not...although I'll go on record as saying I believe the Jets would've made the playoffs last year had they not signed Favre, and kept Pennington.
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What? No sarcasm pirate? You must be joking with this one.
 
Gnomeborg said:
there's this thing called audibles. You see, when the QB thinks he's read the defense, or is a future HoF who thinks he has to personally win every game on the strength of his arm, or thinks that checking from a run to a pass gives him a better chance of staying ahead of Peyton Manning in the record books, he changes the play at the line. Then, if he's a really special kind of quarterback, he can turn that called HB dive into a pick-six for the other team.

Favre audibled a lot last year.
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at least 15 times a game? I guess it's possible. However, that's still a reflection on the coach as well as Favre.
 
jdewaard said:
at least 15 times a game? I guess it's possible. However, that's still a reflection on the coach as well as Favre.
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and perhaps the management of the team that just spent millions to bring this future HoF in to the organization. And the management that informed the coaches that they'd be giving him his own locker room, and that he was exempt from a great deal of the team activities, and likely informed the coaches that he wasn't to be benched unless he agreed to it. As a coach, it's hard to have any authority over a future HoFer who's got management informing you that you can't bench them for audibling to secure his legacy.
 
jdewaard said:
Mangino didn't do them any favors with his playcalling, either.

They averaged only 20 rushing attempts per game over those last 5 games compared with 35 pass attempts. This is with a top 10 ranked rushing attack. There were a lot of factors that contributed to the Jets' collapse last year, but you can't deny that Favre was a huge part of it.
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Which is my point. I don't dispute Favre's play was not nearly as good as he started the season. But there were more than just the one factor for the Jets collapse late in the season.
 
cybsball20 said:
When you are playing catchup you are going to have to throw the ball alot more...
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In only 1 of the final 5 games were the Jets down by more than 1 score entering the 4th quarter. That was the Bronco game, which coincidentally saw them have one of their better rushing performances of the last 5 weeks.
 
Or just continue feeding AP/Taylor and watch them run for 75 yards in one play. Favre has NEVER had a rushing duo like this. He's played with some great backs, but not a fantastic duo that I can recall.

The key will be if Favre can change himself a bit to allow the system to work.
 
ISUFan22 said:
Or just continue feeding AP/Taylor and watch them run for 75 yards in one play. Favre has NEVER had a rushing duo like this. He's played with some great backs, but not a fantastic duo that I can recall.

The key will be if Favre can change himself a bit to allow the system to work.
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I don't know, the year they won the superbowl, Dorsey Levins and Edgar Bennett were pretty much as good as you got when it came to rushing duos.
 
Gnomeborg said:
I don't know, the year they won the superbowl, Dorsey Levins and Edgar Bennett were pretty much as good as you got when it came to rushing duos.
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1996 Green Bay rushing statistics

Edgar Bennet 899 yards 2 TDs
Dorsey Levens 566 yards 5 TDs


2008 Minnesota rushing statistics

Adrian Peterson 1760 yards 10 TDs
Chester Taylor 399 yards 4 TDs.


That's 700 yards and 7 TDs difference.
 
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