F*** These Refs

CyBobby

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Its NOT the Refs IMHO ...Because all REFS are HOMERS and will make calls for the HOME TEAM & against the Visiting Team...
If Cyclone Fans want to go into Kansas and Tex Tech and WIN...its really simple
Our Coach is GOING TO HAVE TO ...."RECRUIT BETTER SHOOTERS"...than we have now..
 

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Tech was allowed to be handsy and pushy. ISU was not. There is your difference in how the game was played. There was your difference in free throws. There was your difference in the final score.
 

CyBobby

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I get your pain, but my gosh we have like 35 turnovers against Texas tech this season and we are not even done with the 2nd game. We can't make shots and out of nearly 80 mins we went like 25 of them without scoring a single point.
we have 42 points with like 5 mins left. thats not going to cut it. much bigger issues than the refs. that being said, I feel your pain.
Our biggest problem is NOT the Officiating ...ITS THE LACK OF GOOD/GREAT SHOOTERS!
 

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Its NOT the Refs IMHO ...Because all REFS are HOMERS and will make calls for the HOME TEAM & against the Visiting Team...
If Cyclone Fans want to go into Kansas and Tex Tech and WIN...its really simple
Our Coach is GOING TO HAVE TO ...."RECRUIT BETTER SHOOTERS"...than we have now..

I guess the refs forgot they were in Hilton then on Saturday? We had 22 fouls, Texas had 14, in HIlton.

I'm not here to say we won or lost strictly because of the refs, but the last 4 games, there has been a blatant difference in how each team is getting calls. That certainly changes how you can play the game. Our guys are constantly getting body checked, pushed and hacked with no call. Then one of our guys breathes a little too hard on the other team and it's a foul. Maybe TJ needs to work with the guys on how to draw a foul when driving the lane or when they are inside, but it happened multiple times last night where our guys were literally getting body checked in the air and TTech did not get called for it. We tried to drive and they just put out their hands and pushed us off. How can you even attempt to do anything but shoot threes at that point?
 

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Iowa State was shooting jump shots all night while Tech was constantly attacking the basket. That is the reason for the foul discrepancy.

I thought we should have tried posting up Jones or Conditt a lot to help with this. Conditt spent most of the time on offense around the perimeter. Other teams have had some success against Tech offensively. Not much, but some success. Our coaching staff has failed to adjust to Tech's defense.

I watched Brockington go in a couple of times where I wondered if he was going to come out with all of his limbs.
 

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I watched Brockington go in a couple of times where I wondered if he was going to come out with all of his limbs.
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I think this is partly a problem within officiating crews where you have different officials at different places depending on the side. If your partner is making calls a certain way for hand checks high out front, you should ideally be trying to maintain consistency on the other side when you are watching for it.

Unfortunately, it appears officials don't have the ability to see what their partner is calling and watch their own area and there evidently isn't much communication around what is/isn't a foul on any particular night between officials. This drives home the point that officiating crews are wildly inconsistent in what does/doesn't get called within crews and there is a great amount of inconsistency between crews. This is a whole-sports issue and until the game/rules are changed to make it easier to officiate, it's not going away.

This is why I think we need to go to technology based team officiating.

To some extent, set up a ton of high res cameras, have some number of people calling certain areas of the rulebook they as specialists in and have them call at both ends. I REALLY think that people who are stationary and looking at one of the 4 best camera views for any given play can see more than 1 person who may or may not be looking at the right place, in the right position, etc.

With this kind of technology you could go as far as having three people watching for, let's say ballhandling infractions (traveling, carrying, double dribble, etc.) and it takes 2 to make a call. Same with position fouls, cylinder, charge/block, etc., etc. Seems to me like it would also get rid of some of the influence that some coaches have over the officials and furthermore, maybe it would kill some of the influence the crowd has over them. If the officials are not known, what gratification do they get out of hopping 3 three times sideways to accentuate the charge call. Crazy grandstanders.

Consistency isn't necessarily one person calling in favor of one team and not the other, it can be 3 different people calling the same situation differently and as their positions and responsibilities change throughout the game (as Wanderer so astutely points out) so does the call that gets made.

Let's change the game entirely and have more eyes, with better positioning that can consistently call the game from end to end without having to "keep up" with the kids that are 1/2 to 1/3 their age. We're living in an age where you can do almost EVERYTHING remotely. Why not officiating?
 

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I'm sure the refs are guilty of this at Hilton as well but... it really pisses me off seeing the ref point very demonstratively for Texas Tech ball to get the home crowd even more hyped.

There are also certain referees who seem to get off by making calls against ISU in Hilton and hearing the boos from fans.
 

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Yes the refs were stupid last night (when are they not?), however, Tech did outplay us in basically every facet of the game. And if we want to get to the FT line more, we need to drive to the hoop and try and get contact. Settling for deep 2's doesn't get you to the FT line.
True. Everyone knows fouls are only called within 8 feet of the basket.
 
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You must be an official. You don’t like shade being thrown at your craft.
I wish I was. I wouldn’t mind the criticism if it were my craft.
The officiating wasn’t the greatest, but we need to play smarter. Conditt and Kunc were out of control on the D side most of the game and the fouls reflected. Just like when Conditt got his 5th foul- he’s busy shoving a guy right in front of the ref on a dead ball after a Tech free throw…so Conditt is out and Tech goes right back to the line to hit two more points. That moment summed up our entire game.
 
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I’ve been watching ISU sports for almost 40 years and we’ve had some bad calls- some at critical moments that hurt our team. However, there were always other plays we DIDN’T make that everyone seems to forget about.
Last night, we were on the short end of the FTs and it clearly made a difference. But what about us going 5-26 from 3? If we just hit 5 of those and go 10-26 we likely win the game. We had our chances and we didn’t execute- and the refs didn’t have anything to do with that.
 

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I guess the refs forgot they were in Hilton then on Saturday? We had 22 fouls, Texas had 14, in HIlton.

I'm not here to say we won or lost strictly because of the refs, but the last 4 games, there has been a blatant difference in how each team is getting calls. That certainly changes how you can play the game. Our guys are constantly getting body checked, pushed and hacked with no call. Then one of our guys breathes a little too hard on the other team and it's a foul. Maybe TJ needs to work with the guys on how to draw a foul when driving the lane or when they are inside, but it happened multiple times last night where our guys were literally getting body checked in the air and TTech did not get called for it. We tried to drive and they just put out their hands and pushed us off. How can you even attempt to do anything but shoot threes at that point?
There's a reason that you see so many guys, NCAA and NBA, flop or sell a foul. It's because refs have stopped calling fouls without it.
 

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I'm sure the refs are guilty of this at Hilton as well but... it really pisses me off seeing the ref point very demonstratively for Texas Tech ball to get the home crowd even more hyped.

There are also certain referees who seem to get off by making calls against ISU in Hilton and hearing the boos from fans.
YES, this always annoys me. Should not be more demonstrative on any call.
 

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There was an obvious disparity in calls which impacted the game.

The Jones breakaway he got hammered with the body hard by both players but no call. That seemed to epitomize the difference.

Other times we seem to use help defense way too early and get out of position.

This would have been a good game for TJ to get A technical but if it’s not his way that’s cool too.

We just gotta keep improving and be ready to beat TT in KC.