Eustachy to Oregon State?

When it comes to p.r. I'll admit Greg has it all over Morgan, but what do you want, good interviews or good results on the court? I get a kick how some people think Greg is a much better coach than Morgan even though Morgan was 2-1 against Greg's best 3 UNI teams, and accomplished much more in his first year than Greg has in his first two. Sure I've heard all the excuses over and over again, but the records and accomplishments tell the tale. Until Greg does anything close to what Morgan did at ISU, it just doesn't make any sense to keep putting down Morgan and praising Greg as some continue to do.

You obviously have no idea what it takes to be a good coach. True Morgan had more talent, but McD is a way better coach and rep for our school.

Lets say ISU will be lucky to have McD ten years from now.
 
Consider these two college head coaches:

Coach #1:13 years, 254-163 record (.609), 4 NCAA appearances (31%), 4 NIT appearances (31%), Makes postseason play 62% of the time.

Coach #2: 17 years, 320-208 record (.606), 3 NCAA appearances (18%), 2 NIT appearances (11%), Makes postseason play 29% of the time.

Which coach is better?

Are they both "great coaches"???

Yes they are
 
Consider these two college head coaches:

Coach #1:13 years, 254-163 record (.609), 4 NCAA appearances (31%), 4 NIT appearances (31%), Makes postseason play 62% of the time.

Coach #2: 17 years, 320-208 record (.606), 3 NCAA appearances (18%), 2 NIT appearances (11%), Makes postseason play 29% of the time.

Which coach is better?

Are they both "great coaches"???

Yes they are


You have pretty poor judgement in deciding what makes a "great coach" if you think either of these guys are great coaches.

Coach #2 is Larry Eustachy.

Coach #1 is Steve Alford.

Nice job.
 
Me, too. I always took the NCAAs for granted. I guess I know how hard it is now.

NEVER EVER TAKE THE NCAA'S FOR GRANTED... I dont know when we will get back to the big dance but...I just hope that it doesn't take us as long as it did poor old Drake...37 yrs ... :yes:now thats a long long time!!!
 
if it takes 37 years to make the NCAA tournament for us. Isu should drop the basketball program. And I would probably be insane after 37 years of pain
 
You obviously have no idea what it takes to be a good coach. True Morgan had more talent, but McD is a way better coach and rep for our school.

Lets say ISU will be lucky to have McD ten years from now.

Please, if you know everything it takes to be a good coach, let us know where you're working. I don't know what it takes to be a good coach, and frankly I'm betting 99.9% of the people on this board have no idea what the coaches go through or how hard they work on a daily basis. Ultimately coaches are judged on their wins and losses. That's all I know about, and right now, we aren't winning a whole lot.

Frankly at this point McD could be the best representative in the history of college basketball but it wouldn't matter because we are so far off the national radar nobody knows what kind of representative he is.

But we have McDermott and I think he is GREAT. He plays basketball how it is meant to be played. Not like the up and down game in the NBA or what they play at Memphis.

Dr. James Naismith, the inventor of basketball, said basketball is meant to be played at a high pace.

And yes, it would be just god awful to watch a team like Memphis, who plays an uptempo game and just set the record for most wins in a season. They also have single digit turnovers the last four games of the tourney.

I'm sorry but I can't think of a single person in their right mind who would rather watch losing basketball than watch the winningest team in college basketball history while they play the game the way the inventor intended it to be played. I don't say this often but that is just a completely ridiculous statement.
 
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You have pretty poor judgement in deciding what makes a "great coach" if you think either of these guys are great coaches.

Coach #2 is Larry Eustachy.

Coach #1 is Steve Alford.

Nice job.

Nice job?

I'm not comparing some crap stats that I picked off of Wiki. Larry led us to 2 NCAA appearances in the five years while he was here. One of those was an elite eight appearance. Also, he has improved a Southern Miss program that has no history of winning. Bring out all the random stats you want and manipulate them to make your point, but LE is a great coach and I liked him at ISU. And please refrain from comparing LE's stats to Wayne Morgan's, because I am sure you have compared there records and it clear to you that WM is a better coach.

Nice job
 
I don't know what it takes to be a good coach, /quote]


Precisely the point. I am not on this board to second guess Mcdermott's moves or tactics. He is hired to be the coach and I don't think ISU fans will be upset with the decision five years from now. I get sick of reading the 'Debbie Dower' posts about how we aren't winning like Kansas does. With the right coach it will take a lot of time to develop a winning program at ISU. Sure you can criticism of Mcdermott because of his position, but 2 years of services is not nearly enough time to judge him.
 
That would be strange for an opposing coach to get a nice round of applause actually. I think there is still a large ammount of fans that like Larry including myself who wish we could have handled that situation better than it was.

How about the fans like me that wish he could have handled himself better. What a total embarrassment he was to the university and the athletic department based upon his own actions.
 
Dr. James Naismith, the inventor of basketball, said basketball is meant to be played at a high pace.

And yes, it would be just god awful to watch a team like Memphis, who plays an uptempo game and just set the record for most wins in a season. They also have single digit turnovers the last four games of the tourney.

I'm sorry but I can't think of a single person in their right mind who would rather watch losing basketball than watch the winningest team in college basketball history while they play the game the way the inventor intended it to be played. I don't say this often but that is just a completely ridiculous statement.

BryceC and company, there are a lot of great opinion's on this topic for sure. Your post is also very good, but, I am saddened to say at this point ISU really does not have, and can not get the talent needed to play that type of basketball you are referring to. So in the mean time, it is my opinion, that we are forced to play a slower paced, play oriented, disciplined style that might slowly get us back to post season play. When this happens I think we can get more athletic players to bring the "wow, did you see that" back into ISU basketball.
 
Here is the thing....

Tim Floyd- Great Recruiter and Coach
Larry Eustachy - Great Coach
Wayne Morgan - Great Recruiter
Greg McDermott- Great Coach and Recruiter

I am a Larry fan and loved to go to games while he coaching. He had some bad judgment and lost his job. I think he would be a great fit at OSU and they would love to have him.

But we have McDermott and I think he is GREAT. He plays basketball how it is meant to be played. Not like the up and down game in the NBA or what they play at Memphis. We are in a transition period and I beleive we will return to our winning ways with McDermott.

Wow.

You really throw around the word "great" pretty cavalierly. With respect to McDermott, it's nice you think he is great but he has done nothing at ISU to support your thought with any concrete evidence.

As for how the game is "meant to be played"...you better take a look at the National Championship Game on Monday night...it will bear absolutely no resemblance to the McDermott "system". The best teams in CBB, for the most part, play an up-tempo game which is actually how the game's inventor (Naismith) envisioned it being played (as I learned by watching Black Magic on ESPN). He said the game should be played "baseline to baseline".
 
I have confidence in Greg but am grateful to Larry for the two championships he helped bring us.

But I'll always wonder just how much LE's drinking problem contributed to the decline in both recruiting and level of play his last two years.

What about his total meltdown at the end of the biggest game of his career (Michigan State Elite 8)? I wonder about that...another time he embarrassed ISU.
 
You have pretty poor judgement in deciding what makes a "great coach" if you think either of these guys are great coaches.

Coach #2 is Larry Eustachy.

Coach #1 is Steve Alford.

Nice job.


Why wouldn't you post their NCAA tournament records and number of conference titles?
 
Nice job?

I'm not comparing some crap stats that I picked off of Wiki. Larry led us to 2 NCAA appearances in the five years while he was here. One of those was an elite eight appearance. Also, he has improved a Southern Miss program that has no history of winning. Bring out all the random stats you want and manipulate them to make your point, but LE is a great coach and I liked him at ISU. And please refrain from comparing LE's stats to Wayne Morgan's, because I am sure you have compared there records and it clear to you that WM is a better coach.

Nice job

Maybe you should do a little "homework" before you start spouting off. From the mid 70s to the mid 90s, Southern Miss was coached by a guy named M. K. Turk. During his tenure, they had 13 winning years and made 8 post-season appearances...including winning the 1987 NIT. Tim Floyd's father Lee was also the Southern Miss coach for about 15 years as well and had some decent teams. To say Southern Miss has "no history of winning" is just plain WRONG!
 
Maybe you should do a little "homework" before you start spouting off. From the mid 70s to the mid 90s, Southern Miss was coached by a guy named M. K. Turk. During his tenure, they had 13 winning years and made 8 post-season appearances...including winning the 1987 NIT. Tim Floyd's father Lee was also the Southern Miss coach for about 15 years as well and had some decent teams. To say Southern Miss has "no history of winning" is just plain WRONG!

Why does it seem that most of your posts have a negative tone?
 
Why wouldn't you post their NCAA tournament records and number of conference titles?

Steve Alford
Years: 13
Conference reg. season titles: 1 (Mo. Valley)
Conference tournament titles: 2
NCAA record: 3-4

Larry Eustachy:
Years: 17
Conference reg. season titles: 5 (incl Big West & Big Sky)
Conference tournament titles: 2
NCAA record: 3-3
 
Comparing Eustachy and Alford doesn't make sense. It isn't even close. Alford showed that he couldn't cut it in the Big Ten, but Eustachy would still be our coach today had he not had his little problem.
 
Comparing Eustachy and Alford doesn't make sense. It isn't even close. Alford showed that he couldn't cut it in the Big Ten, but Eustachy would still be our coach today had he not had his little problem.

I doubt that very much. Larry never came close to a winning Big 12 season after Tinsley left and he never showed any signs that he was going to be able to build a team that would return to that level. And he's never duplicated that success - even remotely - at Southern Miss.

Year W-L
98-99 6-10
99-00 14-2
00-01 13-3
01-02 4-12
02-03 5-11

If he would have continued the 2001-2002 & 2002-2003 record for another season or two, the "Fire Larry" movement would have been going pretty strong.
 
I believe Eustachy won conference championships at his two previous stops before ISU....and then preceded to win two in a row here. It will be hard for anyone to convince me that McD or others at ISU were better than Larry until I see some tangible evidence to dispute that. For those of you who can't figure out why there is so much Larry love on this board....its called winning conference championships.