NFL: Eli Manning Retires

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  1. jbindm

    jbindm Well-Known Member

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    Agreed. I think voters are going to have to start parsing out the career stats to separate the impact guys from the compilers. Don't get me wrong; longevity and durability should matter to some extent. But guys like Stafford and Ryan and Rivers shouldn't be rewarded for piling up stats on mostly bad or middling teams.
     
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    one thing to think about was who Eli had around him, Plaxico was pretty good, OBJ and Barkley came a little late in his career but other than that...woof. No WR or running backs that stand out.
     
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    He'll get in because of his two SB wins, but these 'case against' stats would make me vote no. I've never viewed him as elite.
     
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    #24 clonehenge, Jan 23, 2020
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    For reference, here are the 26 modern day QBs in the HOF. Eli is a 2 time Super Bowl MVP. He deserves to be in. He's on par with Bob Griese. And if Len Freaking Dawson is in there then c'mon...

    Edit: Eli is also 7th all time in pass yds, 7th all time in pass completions, and 7th all time in pass TDs. No brainer HOF.

    Troy Aikman 1989-2000
    George Blanda (Also PK) 1949-1958, 1960-1975
    Terry Bradshaw 1970-1983
    Len Dawson 1957-1975
    John Elway 1983-1998
    Brett Favre 1991-2010
    Dan Fouts 1973-1987
    Otto Graham 1946-1955
    Bob Griese 1967-1980
    Sonny Jurgensen 1957-1974
    Jim Kelly 1986-1996
    Bobby Layne 1948-1962
    Dan Marino 1983-1999
    Joe Montana 1979-1994
    Warren Moon 1984-2000
    Joe Namath 1965-1977
    Ken Stabler 1970-1984
    Bart Starr 1956-1971
    Roger Staubach 1969-1979
    Fran Tarkenton 1961-1978
    Y.A. Tittle 1948-1964
    Johnny Unitas 1956-1973
    Norm Van Brocklin 1949-1960
    Kurt Warner 1998-2009
    Bob Waterfield 1945-1952
    Steve Young 1985-1999
     
  5. jbindm

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    I think by the time OBJ and Barkley came along Eli was already cooked. The Giants hung on to him too long. They should have moved on several years ago.
     
  6. NickTheGreat

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    He's a bum. He only has like two more Superbowl MVP's than I do.
     
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    Well he did have a pro bowl running back his first 3 years in NY - Tiki Barber. Having that security blanket can really help a young QB get settled in to the pro game.
     
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    If those are your parameters are you going to leave Tom Brady out? Dude is ALWAYS surrounded by an insane Belichick defense and lucky crap like Atlanta pooping the bed, the tuck rule, Adam V's kicks, Edelman's catch a couple years ago, Dee Ford lining up offsides, PETE CARROLL THROWING AT THE 1.
     
  9. jbindm

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    Here's a question: will anyone hold it against him for refusing to play for the Chargers? I could see some old establishment types bringing that up.
     
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    Am I the only one who has hated him since that draft?
     
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    #31 Isualum13, Jan 23, 2020
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    Pat McAfee gave his two cents.
     
  12. Cyinthenorth

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    Eli has got to be in the top 5 of worst QBs to win a Superbowl, let alone 2
     
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    Same. Not a fan of him since then. Can’t say much about the fam either since then either. Peyton’s aw shucks shtick is tired too.
     
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    I don't think any of the 3 make it, but Stafford isn't even worth mentioned IMO. He has made the playoffs what, three times in 11 seasons? And zero wins...
     
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    The Jim Plunkett comparisons make a lot of sense to me. Same .500 record, 2 Super Bowl wins.
    Eli has the last name, so that might do it. Otherwise, I'd think not.
     
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    Amani Toomer, Hakeem Nicks, and Victor Cruz were all stud WRs at various points in Eli's career
     
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    I've always wondered how he's thought of if he wasn't a Manning, I think it was a negative for most of his career. He largely overlapped and was compared with his brother who will go down as one of the best ever. From my POV it always felt like the NY media and fans never came to grips with how he wasn't as good as his brother.

    His standings in overall QB stats surprise me, even with his long career. I think he gets in on his playoff accomplishments, it gets a lot tighter if he only won one Super Bowl.
     
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    Do you hate John Elway for refusing to play for the Baltimore Colts?

    Players doing everything in their power to avoid playing for a toxic franchise is fair game, as far as I am concerned. Elway and Manning have that right.
     
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    Great comparison. Plunkett had such high expectations coming out of college - Heisman winner, first overall selection, etc - and they weren't realized until later in his career.

    I still remember the circus around Eli's selection in the draft. Who's that important that they can direct where they go?
     
  20. VeloClone

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    I think I got all of the QBs he kept listing. Here they all are sorted by winning percentage:

    Staubach -11 years .746
    Bradshaw - 14 years .677
    Stabler - 15 years .662
    Young - 15 years .657
    Kelly - 11 years .631
    Griese - 14 years .622
    Warner - 12 years .578
    Aikman -12 years .570
    Fouts - 15 years .506
    Moon - 17 years .502
    Manning - 16 years .500
    Namath - 13 years .496
     

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