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The Royals are the most successful expansion team in MLB history.
Define expansion team, the Royals have been around since 1969, so 55 years, appeared in 4 WS and winning two of those times. The Marlins, have won 2 championships since landing in Miami.
They have been a bottom drawing team attendance wise the majority of that time. KC is a Chiefs town, they go out to the Royals when they win, but once the losing starts again, no one shows up. I have nothing again the Royals, but lets be honest here.
 
Define expansion team, the Royals have been around since 1969, so 55 years, appeared in 4 WS and winning two of those times. The Marlins, have won 2 championships since landing in Miami.
They have been a bottom drawing team attendance wise the majority of that time. KC is a Chiefs town, they go out to the Royals when they win, but once the losing starts again, no one shows up. I have nothing again the Royals, but lets be honest here.
I think you have defined expansion teams.

So you're saying the Marlins have been more successful than the Royals? It seems that they have both won two WS titles, and the Royals have been in the post-season more. If we're being honest.
 
The Royals have struggled since the arrival of free agency, except for very short stretches of success of a few years. Draft, play together, win is great, but once the winning started they could not afford to keep the players together and continue to win. Short window to win, and then rebuild and try to do it again.
They really struggle growing the fan base, go east of KC a little bit and its Cardinal territory, to the north its all Cardinal or Cubs fan except the bottom SW corner of the state. What really hurt them is when the Rockies came into the league, they were making inroads out to the west into Colorado, but lost all of those fans once they had a team to root for.


Ah yes. Lost those tens upon tens of fans that show up and root for the Rockies.
 
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I think you have defined expansion teams.

So you're saying the Marlins have been more successful than the Royals? It seems that they have both won two WS titles, and the Royals have been in the post-season more. If we're being honest.
How many more years have the Royals been around compared to the Marlins? Both are poorly ran franchises. Build up, win and then cannot afford to keep it going, it been the history of both teams for decades. Do you actually think once this core of players for the Royals start approaching FA, that they will be resigned and still playing for Royals?
 
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How many more years have the Royals been around compared to the Marlins? Both are poorly ran franchises. Build up, win and then cannot afford to keep it going, it been the history of both teams for decades. Do you actually think once this core of players for the Royals start approaching FA, that they will be resigned and still playing for Royals?
Are we changing the subject on the Royals being the most successful expansion team in MLB history?
 
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The Royals are a poorly ran operation and have been for years, their biggest screw up was not moving to the national league when it was offered the last expansion. Milwaukee jumped at the chance after the Royals turned it down. They choose hosting 3 games yearly with the Yankees and Red Sox as opposed to hosting 8 or 9 game yearly of both the Cardinals and Cubs, plus another 3 with the Dodgers. Teams that when they visit stack the stadium.

MLB went back on the original proposal which would have resulted in a National League Central of KC, both Chicago Teams, Houston, Milwaukee, STL, Minnesota and Texas. Once that happened it pivoted to only on team making that move. Selig was on record saying Milwaukee at its core is a national league city (Milwaukee Braves) and the Royals were only "offered" the opportunity so it didn't look like Selig was just looking out for his own franchise.
 
Ah yes. Lost those tens upon tens of fans that show up and root for the Rockies.
The Rockies are like 95% of the teams in MLB, if you lose, people are not going to come out and spend what it costs to go to a game anymore. The Cardinals found that out last season, they had been in the top 3-5 in attendance for the past 30 years, but when they stopped spending and the team struggled, within 2 seasons they went from being at the top of the attendance group to the middle. The Rockies set records for attendance when they entered the league, but people are not going to support losing season after season in many places. The Royals had those fans, for a couple of decades out of Colorado as their was no team closer to them, but when the Rockies were founded they not only lost them, but fans in western Nebraska and other states. To be successful in MLB you have a regional franchise, that claim fans from multiple states across your region or be like the Braves and Cubs on TV for years and get people hooked on going to see you play. The Royals have none of that, while the Rockies at least have a region to draw from, but they have to win to do it.
 
Give the Marlins a couple more decades and if they have not appeared in a couple more WS, then you might have something to brag about.
They had less people attend their games last year than the Royals (by far). When exactly to you expect the Marlins in the post-season?
 
The Rockies are like 95% of the teams in MLB, if you lose, people are not going to come out and spend what it costs to go to a game anymore. The Cardinals found that out last season, they had been in the top 3-5 in attendance for the past 30 years, but when they stopped spending and the team struggled, within 2 seasons they went from being at the top of the attendance group to the middle. The Rockies set records for attendance when they entered the league, but people are not going to support losing season after season in many places. The Royals had those fans, for a couple of decades out of Colorado as their was no team closer to them, but when the Rockies were founded they not only lost them, but fans in western Nebraska and other states. To be successful in MLB you have a regional franchise, that claim fans from multiple states across your region or be like the Braves and Cubs on TV for years and get people hooked on going to see you play. The Royals have none of that, while the Rockies at least have a region to draw from, but they have to win to do it.

Are you arguing the Royals should have blocked the Rockies from becoming an expansion team in 1991?
 
The Royals have struggled since the arrival of free agency, except for very short stretches of success of a few years. Draft, play together, win is great, but once the winning started they could not afford to keep the players together and continue to win. Short window to win, and then rebuild and try to do it again.
They really struggle growing the fan base, go east of KC a little bit and its Cardinal territory, to the north its all Cardinal or Cubs fan except the bottom SW corner of the state. What really hurt them is when the Rockies came into the league, they were making inroads out to the west into Colorado, but lost all of those fans once they had a team to root for.
The Royals fan base was hurt when Denver got a baseball team. The fanbase once stretched clear out to Colorado. That was of course during the 70s and 80s when they were consistently winning.
 
Give the Marlins a couple more decades and if they have not appeared in a couple more WS, then you might have something to brag about.

I mean the Royals have at least won their own division multiple times. The Marlins could at least do it once before we start comparing organizations.
 
MLB went back on the original proposal which would have resulted in a National League Central of KC, both Chicago Teams, Houston, Milwaukee, STL, Minnesota and Texas. Once that happened it pivoted to only on team making that move. Selig was on record saying Milwaukee at its core is a national league city (Milwaukee Braves) and the Royals were only "offered" the opportunity so it didn't look like Selig was just looking out for his own franchise.
That is not true at all, once it was announced that Houston would be leaving the National league to go to the American League the Royals were given the opportunity to be the team that switched places with them. They turned it down, and Selig said he former franchise would take the change. It was a wise choice by Brewers to switch leagues and a silly one by the Royals to turn it down. How has staying in the AL helped the Royals attendance wise? The Brewers quickly found out getting the Cubs to come to your stadium instead of the WS brings in a lot more fans, same withe Cardinals instead of the Twins. The Cubs and Cardinals just have more fans. The Royals screwed up not making the change when given the chance.
 
How many more years have the Royals been around compared to the Marlins? Both are poorly ran franchises. Build up, win and then cannot afford to keep it going, it been the history of both teams for decades. Do you actually think once this core of players for the Royals start approaching FA, that they will be resigned and still playing for Royals?

This is how baseball has worked my entire lifetime and it’s how it would work in KC even with a new stadium. Nashville royals, come on down!
 
That is not true at all, once it was announced that Houston would be leaving the National league to go to the American League the Royals were given the opportunity to be the team that switched places with them. They turned it down, and Selig said he former franchise would take the change. It was a wise choice by Brewers to switch leagues and a silly one by the Royals to turn it down. How has staying in the AL helped the Royals attendance wise? The Brewers quickly found out getting the Cubs to come to your stadium instead of the WS brings in a lot more fans, same withe Cardinals instead of the Twins. The Cubs and Cardinals just have more fans. The Royals screwed up not making the change when given the chance.

Houston was a National League team until 2013. The Royals potential move to the National League stemmed from the Diamondbacks refusing to be an American League team in the mid 90's.
 
Are we changing the subject on the Royals being the most successful expansion team in MLB history?
This is true in a way because no team had more success after expansion faster than the Royals. But that was 40-50 years ago now. Expanded in 1969 won 90 some games in 1975 then won the division 6 out of the next 9 years with 2 WS appearances and one Championship.
 
I mean the Royals have at least won their own division multiple times. The Marlins could at least do it once before we start comparing organizations.
The Royals played played in the worst division for years, while the Marlins have to beat the Mets, Braves and Phillies. Lets be honest here, which division is the easier to win.
 
That is not true at all, once it was announced that Houston would be leaving the National league to go to the American League the Royals were given the opportunity to be the team that switched places with them. They turned it down, and Selig said he former franchise would take the change. It was a wise choice by Brewers to switch leagues and a silly one by the Royals to turn it down. How has staying in the AL helped the Royals attendance wise? The Brewers quickly found out getting the Cubs to come to your stadium instead of the WS brings in a lot more fans, same withe Cardinals instead of the Twins. The Cubs and Cardinals just have more fans. The Royals screwed up not making the change when given the chance.
In 2015, KC had 2.7 million fans attend (out-drawing the Brewers), and they won the World Series. So stupid of them.