Does Boise State Deserve Title Shot?
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Not to turn this into a rivalry thing...but every fan of the team that we play this weekend that I have talked about this subject with feels that Boise State should be barred from a BCS title game. They use the same old arguments...you know the "if they played in the Big 10 blah blah blah"! I really think those fans think they are going to get screwed out of their title chance if Boise State takes the slot opposite the SEC champ!
How do you know they scheduled two very good BCS teams? Both of those teams are now 0-1. It's not inconceivable that they could go all year and not play a team that wins more than 9 games (and only play two of those)
By the way, how many good teams do you think the WAC has?
I thought the same way as you guys for a while... but got to thinking about undefeated?...
What if Boise State goes undefeated and the next team in losses has 2? What do you do then?
This way a team like Boise should be pushing for a chance at a playoff, then they would make it to playoff and have a chance to win three or four games to be the title champion.
What if Boise State goes undefeated and the next team in losses has 2? What do you do then?
This way a team like Boise should be pushing for a chance at a playoff, then they would make it to playoff and have a chance to win three or four games to be the title champion.
Isn't that also just as likely for whomever does play in the BCS title?
As of today - every BCS contender's opponents are 0-1
That's not quite true - I'd say the good teams in the WAC (Nevada, Fresno, Idaho) are equivalent to the "middle-pack" teams in a BCS conference. For instance, Nevada and Fresno are rated 39 and 40 in the cbssports.com power ratings, in the ballpark of teams like Michigan St, A&M, Notre Dame, and UConn, and higher than Washington, Cincinnati, Clemson, Texas Tech, and Clemson. Sure, New Mexico St and San Jose St are weak as hell (112 and 110), but Ohio St play E Michigan (119). Both teams play the majority of their schedule in the 50-90 range. I'd say the only clear cut advantage Ohio St has over Boise St is they play two more top 25 teams compared to Boise St.
I'm not saying that Boise St should jump Ohio St, even with one loss. But I think there's too much of an argument made in scheduling disparity. Yes, it's there, but I think it's, due to assumptions, greatly over exaggerated.
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With a team like BSU you have to look not just at this year, but their resume with this team (given they have 20 of 22 starters back) they went undefeated last year beat two bcs teams plus TCU, they beat then #10 Va Tech in what was really a road game. Beat Oregon State and avoid close wins in the rest of your schedule and you deserve a shot. Like someone said before if not Boise State now than you have to acknowledge you will never let a non BCS team play for the title
Really? Because Wisconsin and OSU are both 1-0 (for Iowa).
And no, I think it's very unlikely that a team can get to the championship game without playing another team that won 10 games. Has it happened before?
Yes, without a doubt. The teams in the WAC are the patsies that get paid by the BCS conference schools to come in and get smoked for tune up games. If you remove Boise from the equation, there isn't a single team in the Big 12 that wouldn't be favored over any other WAC opponent. Well, except Kansas of course.
They have to fund their athletic department. If they win them all and someone else doesn't then they should play in the championship game. Strength of schedule should only come into play when comparing teams with same records.
Kendall,
This has nothing to do with your post. I didn't know you were on here. Joanna gives me a hard time for being on the fanatic all the time. She says its my vice. Good too know I am not the only one in the family keeing up with the Clones.
Have a great one,
Nathan:smile:
I think he meant every contender's opponent that they have already played. Cuz if you're going to say that Iowa opponents Wisconsin, Penn State, OSU, MSU, Michigan, etc are 1-0, you not only have to do the reverse for teams like OSU, but also have to concede that Texas, Oklahoma, Florida, Alabama, etc also have future opponents who are currently 1-0.
We're looking at this differently. I was going towards who they've played, not will play.
You are questioning Va Tech as an opponent since they are 0-1. Well... ya, BSU just beat them.
If you lose week one you're pretty much out already.
You're saying we don't know anything about Oregon St? Well what do we know about Wisc or OSU? Their opponents are 0-1.
It's a rather endless cycle. You can't continue on the "who they played and then who that team played". Lest you find yourself promoting some 1-12 team since their victory came against a team that beat so-and-so, who beat so-and-so....
Edit: I differ my reasoning to EDR. Well said sir. Additionally, I'm not sure that all BSU's (or other non-BCS hopefulls) opponents went 0-for last weekend.
Imagine....
This summers drama of the conference meltdown went in a direction we all feared. ISU was left out of the 16 team bcs conferences that emerged and found itself choosing between the remnants of the Big East and the Mountain West. Neither conference provided an automatic BCS birth, but ISU was out of options and chose their new conference.
Against the odds, Paul Rhoads continued to prove the skeptics wrong and after a string of five straight bowl games led ISU to an undefeated season in both their nonconference schedule where they defeated Iowa at home and and traveled to Minnesota for a second BCS conference victory. ISU was left out of the title game, but came beat once beaten Cincinnati in the Fiesta Bowl for ISU's first BCS bowl win.
ISU entered this season with their highest ever ranking with preseason polls ranking ISU at #4. ISU has a tough preseason schedule with a road game at #10 Iowa and a home game against #25 Utah. They Cyclones continued their winning ways defeating both Iowa & Utah and dominated their conference opponents. ISU has now won 25 straight games including four against BCS conference opponents.
Unfortunately for ISU, Ohio State emerged from the Big Ten (16) unscathed and ranked number one. Now the debate rages should one loss Texas who defeated USC in the Pac 10 (16) title game play Ohio State for the National Title or should Iowa State who plays in a non BCS conference get a shot?
Are you ok with ISU getting passed over by Texas?
This summers drama of the conference meltdown went in a direction we all feared. ISU was left out of the 16 team bcs conferences that emerged and found itself choosing between the remnants of the Big East and the Mountain West. Neither conference provided an automatic BCS birth, but ISU was out of options and chose their new conference.
Against the odds, Paul Rhoads continued to prove the skeptics wrong and after a string of five straight bowl games led ISU to an undefeated season in both their nonconference schedule where they defeated Iowa at home and and traveled to Minnesota for a second BCS conference victory. ISU was left out of the title game, but came beat once beaten Cincinnati in the Fiesta Bowl for ISU's first BCS bowl win.
ISU entered this season with their highest ever ranking with preseason polls ranking ISU at #4. ISU has a tough preseason schedule with a road game at #10 Iowa and a home game against #25 Utah. They Cyclones continued their winning ways defeating both Iowa & Utah and dominated their conference opponents. ISU has now won 25 straight games including four against BCS conference opponents.
Unfortunately for ISU, Ohio State emerged from the Big Ten (16) unscathed and ranked number one. Now the debate rages should one loss Texas who defeated USC in the Pac 10 (16) title game play Ohio State for the National Title or should Iowa State who plays in a non BCS conference get a shot?
Are you ok with ISU getting passed over by Texas?
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i think the deserve to be in the nc. Look at their record in bcs bowl games. I could care less that their in a poor conference but they can still beat teams in BCS conferences. At least they scheduled 2 top 15 teams for non conference.
oh I agree. My point was that Boise St's two "big" games are against teams who have both started 0-1 (now one was the game they won, and the other played TCU, so it's not like they lost to patsies).
Those games aren't so big if they lose a couple more which is not only possible but likely.
There is no way in hell Illinois or Indiana, and perhaps Minnesota would be favored over Fresno St, Nevada, or Idaho. Purdue likely would not be favored over Fresno St or Nevada.
