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I think Florida losses to Oklahoma no matter what, but when you lose your three leading receivers who combined for 24 TD catches and other important pieces it’s gonna hurt. Imagine if Iowa State found out they had to play without Hall, Kolar, and Hutchinson.
The line went from -3 to +8.5 after the opt outs.

I saw someone asking about talent disparity earlier in the thread and where is it, well here are the Oregon and Iowa State draft prospects from the mock draft and big board consensus, which is pretty neat in that it combines all the prominent sources to create a consensus ranking of prospects: https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/colleges/2021/iowa-state-cyclones

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I looked at the past years consensus big boards and they had Allen Lazard, Hakeem Butler, and David Montgomery all higher than they were actually drafted - so I don’t think there’s any anti ISU bias.
Here is Oregon’s for 2021, with the opt outs crossed out. I crossed out Verdell because I also don’t think he’s playing. For 2022 they have Thibodeaux third overall, and for 2023 Justin Flowe (injured) 6th, Noah Sewell 14th, and Verone McKinley 28th.
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Was there a point you were trying to make with this wall of text?
 
A thread about mocking their mascot gets 843 posts! Did it get hijacked and turned into another random thoughts thread? If there is any substance to this thread, could someone summarize it?
 
Personally, IMO these 'opt-outs' reflect the lack of dedication and continuity of a team. Buy an insurance policy if you're worried abut getting hurt. Why would no ISU players 'opt-out' and Oregon's best would?

Yep, you’re spot on. Complete lack of dedication and continuity. I know you and I would risk a childhood dream, and a $34 million dollar contract with a $22 million signing bonus to come back for an exhibition season, I don’t see why Penei Sewell wouldn’t. There’s great insurance that sometimes even pays out a fraction of your lost potential income. After the season was un-canceled he should have opted back in, fired his agent, paid back the advance, petitioned the NCAA for eligibility, and convinced the university to allow him to enroll in classes halfway through the academic quarter.

Don’t even get me started on Jevon Holland. He’s a borderline first round pick, he should come back to work on his masters degree and assure he’s drafted in the low 20s instead. And Thomas Graham Jr? Clearly a quitter, he also pulled out of last years draft - just another sign of this spoiled generation. You bet your bottom dollar Thomas Graham Sr doesn’t pull out, that’s how he earned that Sr.

Why would no ISU players opt out? You’ll have to ask them. Not a single projected top-4 round draft pick opted out, even after the Big-12 canceled their season twice and started planning for the spring. I’m impressed.
 
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Was there a point you were trying to make with this wall of text?

Earlier in the thread someone asked where the supposed talent disparity is, considering the recruiting ranking differences.

No major point beyond showing where some of it is, training for the draft or whatever the hell Brady Breeze is doing while the others are. Sorry if you were expecting more substance based on the amount of text.
 
Earlier in the thread someone asked where the supposed talent disparity is, considering the recruiting ranking differences.

No major point beyond showing where some of it is, training for the draft or whatever the hell Brady Breeze is doing while the others are. Sorry if you were expecting more substance based on the amount of text.
What happens when, arguably the best player on the field Saturday for either team, Breece Hall, isn’t on those draft boards?
 
Looking at the highlights it makes me wonder if the FL QB is color blind (red camouflages great with a green field). I've never seen such blatantly poor interceptions.
Did you watch the Wake Forest QB vs Wisconsin? Those were worse.
 
Earlier in the thread someone asked where the supposed talent disparity is, considering the recruiting ranking differences.

No major point beyond showing where some of it is, training for the draft or whatever the hell Brady Breeze is doing while the others are. Sorry if you were expecting more substance based on the amount of text.
I don't recall anyone asking about it.

We are talking about college football here. How good a player looked to a bunch of click bait driven keyboard warrior media hacks coming out of high school or possibility of going pro has little or nothing to do with a college football game.
 
I think Florida losses to Oklahoma no matter what, but when you lose your three leading receivers who combined for 24 TD catches and other important pieces it’s gonna hurt. Imagine if Iowa State found out they had to play without Hall, Kolar, and Hutchinson.
The line went from -3 to +8.5 after the opt outs.

I saw someone asking about talent disparity earlier in the thread and where is it, well here are the Oregon and Iowa State draft prospects from the mock draft and big board consensus, which is pretty neat in that it combines all the prominent sources to create a consensus ranking of prospects: https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/colleges/2021/iowa-state-cyclones

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I looked at the past years consensus big boards and they had Allen Lazard, Hakeem Butler, and David Montgomery all higher than they were actually drafted - so I don’t think there’s any anti ISU bias.
Here is Oregon’s for 2021, with the opt outs crossed out. I crossed out Verdell because I also don’t think he’s playing. For 2022 they have Thibodeaux third overall, and for 2023 Justin Flowe (injured) 6th, Noah Sewell 14th, and Verone McKinley 28th.
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Are those opt-outs COVID-related opt-outs (like before the season started) or are they bowl game only opt-outs?
 
Yep, you’re spot on. Complete lack of dedication and continuity. I know you and I would risk a childhood dream, and a $34 million dollar contract with a $22 million signing bonus to come back for an exhibition season, I don’t see why Penei Sewell wouldn’t. There’s great insurance that sometimes even pays out a fraction of your lost potential income. After the season was un-canceled he should have opted back in, fired his agent, paid back the advance, petitioned the NCAA for eligibility, and convinced the university to allow him to enroll in classes halfway through the academic quarter.

Don’t even get me started on Jevon Holland. He’s a borderline first round pick, he should come back to work on his masters degree and assure he’s drafted in the low 20s instead. And Thomas Graham Jr? Clearly a quitter, he also pulled out of last years draft - just another sign of this spoiled generation. You bet your bottom dollar Thomas Graham Sr doesn’t pull out, that’s how he earned that Sr.

Why would no ISU players opt out? You’ll have to ask them. Not a single projected top-4 round draft pick opted out, even after the Big-12 canceled their season twice and started planning for the spring. I’m impressed.
Being serious and not trying to agitate anyone. With that logic, why play any games after your sophomore year? I'm just saying, if it's money, believe me, there's an insurance policy waiting for an NFL prospect. IMO, this ruins the ultimate in college football experiences for the fans and will begin to taint 'viewership'. It won't be me complaining so loud as it will be ESPN. Eyeballs will begin to wain. Unless they preview it as 'hey, look what's brewing for next fall with the up and coming understudies". Also, didn't you mean to say B1G cancelled twice?
 
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Being serious and not trying to agitate anyone. With that logic, why play any games after your sophomore year? I'm just saying, if it's money, believe me, there's an insurance policy waiting for an NFL prospect. IMO, this ruins the ultimate in college football experiences for the fans and will begin to taint 'viewership'. It won't be me complaining so loud as it will be ESPN. Eyeballs will begin to wain. Unless they preview it as 'hey, look what's brewing for next fall with the up and coming understudies". Also, didn't you mean to say B1G cancelled twice?
So here's the thing about those insurance policies. Oregon had the first prospect ever to collect on their insurance policy in Ifo Ekpre-Olomu. I don't believe Marshon Lattimore's insurance policy actually paid out because SF drafted him high and Ifo didn't get anywhere near what he would have made had he just been drafted mid rounds and done nothing else. It's obviously better to have it than not and you can never predict an injury.

Penei is a lock for the Top 10 and very likely Top 3 and has been called the greatest LT prospect of the last decade easily. After 2 years in college. It's not hyperbole either when you put on the tape.

Now in the case of someone like Brady Breeze, he left because someone offered him a job in the low 6 figures after graduating. He's likely not an NFL player, maybe a camp invite but someone who was a very good college football player.

The contrast between Penei and Brady is stark and nobody blames Penei or Jevon or Thomas or Brady for their decisions.
 
TOE fans saying Oregon is comparable to Wisconsin in regards to branding

From their own limited perspective (They've got B1G blinders) its not a bad comparative. Loads of success in the last 20 years and especially in the last decade, and the foremost challenger most years to the conference's traditional blueblood (USC/tOSU).

Obviously if you take the conference bias out and look from a national perspective the Oregon brand is currently much larger than UW, and probably in the top 10 nationally.
 
I don't recall anyone asking about it.

We are talking about college football here. How good a player looked to a bunch of click bait driven keyboard warrior media hacks coming out of high school or possibility of going pro has little or nothing to do with a college football game.

Yup, that’s why Alabama, Clemson, and tOSU are always in the CFP, because all those keyboard jockeys have no idea what they are talking about with respect to recruiting... lmao. Some of you all sound straight like doog fans. It’s hilarious.

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Yup, that’s why Alabama, Clemson, and tOSU are always in the CFP, because all those keyboard jockeys have no idea what they are talking about with respect to recruiting... lmao. Some of you all sound straight like doog fans. It’s hilarious.

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It's the "5 star culture verses 5 star talent" argument. Obviously you have a huge advantage if you have higher ranked players coming out of high school. It would help raise ISU's ceiling to get higher rated recruits but they've proven you can take majority 3* guys and with the right culture and coaching you can make them a force that can beat top-5 teams any given year.
 
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There are plenty of programs that pull in high rated recruits every year and do nothing with them. Texas, Auburn, Tennessee and South Carolina (I haven't actually checked those two school's recruitings but i'd imagine most classes have a number of 4*'s), USC, UCLA, FSU, and on and on. Every single year they underperform compared to their recruiting class rankings, and every year they get beat by a team like ISU
 
It's the "5 star culture verses 5 star talent" argument. Obviously you have a huge advantage if you have higher ranked players coming out of high school. It would help raise ISU's ceiling to get higher rated recruits but they've proven you can take majority 3* guys and with the right culture and coaching you can make them a force that can beat top-5 teams any given year.
Exactly how Oregon of yesteryear became Oregon of this year.
 
It's the "5 star culture verses 5 star talent" argument. Obviously you have a huge advantage if you have higher ranked players coming out of high school. It would help raise ISU's ceiling to get higher rated recruits but they've proven you can take majority 3* guys and with the right culture and coaching you can make them a force that can beat top-5 teams any given year.

So, teams that recruit at an elite level don’t have 5* culture?