Devries or TJ poll

[CySmurf]

HOIBERG!!!!!!!

The climate is extremely different in college basketball now from when he was here...Hoiberg was able to land a number of kids vis the transfer portal...which very few were using at the time. He also was fortunate to have Royce to start his rebuild.
He had a great identity here at ISU and was very successful getting four year guys to build his teams with.
But once he left for the Bulls and then the Cornfuckers...he hasn't had the same kind of succeess as he had at ISU. There's no guarantee he can duplicate what he did his first run here. So, for the people who think Hoiberg will work 2nd time around...it may not.

 

[mynameisjonas]

The climate is extremely different in college basketball now from when he was here...Hoiberg was able to land a number of kids vis the transfer portal...which very few were using at the time. He also was fortunate to have Royce to start his rebuild.
He had a great identity here at ISU and was very successful getting four year guys to build his teams with.
But once he left for the Bulls and then the Cornfuckers...he hasn't had the same kind of succeess as he had at ISU. There's no guarantee he can duplicate what he did his first run here. So, for the people who think Hoiberg will work 2nd time around...it may not.

This is going to upset the 5% of the fan base like @rochclone that live and die all things Hoiberg. Lol.

 

[RustShack]

The climate is extremely different in college basketball now from when he was here...Hoiberg was able to land a number of kids vis the transfer portal...which very few were using at the time. He also was fortunate to have Royce to start his rebuild.
He had a great identity here at ISU and was very successful getting four year guys to build his teams with.
But once he left for the Bulls and then the Cornfuckers...he hasn't had the same kind of succeess as he had at ISU. There's no guarantee he can duplicate what he did his first run here. So, for the people who think Hoiberg will work 2nd time around...it may not.

Why are people counting his time with the Bulls when talking about his college basketball ability? You’re just discrediting yourself if you think it’s the same thing lol

Remember when Saban left LSU to go fail with the Dolphins? Man I can’t believe Alabama hired him after that lmao

 

[Die4Cy]

The amount of energy expended here litigating hypothetical career path trajectories at ISU for a previous coach who left ISU on his own accord after at least two years of trying, is astounding.

There's obviously something dysfunctional about the way some people choose to deal with his exit. Fred ain't worth pining over forever.

Nobody here spends more than a passing moment on the "what if" potential of Johnny Majors or Earle Bruce staying football coach at ISU because the only thing relevant to that discussion is that they didn't do that. And they were at least successful coaches after they left.

Give Fred a break, he doesn't want to be your coaching idol.

 

[rochclone]

This is going to upset the 5% of the fan base like @rochclone that live and die all things Hoiberg. Lol.

I live and die all things Iowa State. I’ve been a fan since the late 80’s. I hope this program can get back to winning basketball after Prohm drove it into the ground.
I don’t care if it is T.J., DeVries or Craig Smith. Any of those three are better than the current head coach. What I don’t understand is why @mynameisjonas, @jsb and @catstevens hate everything associated with the Hoiberg area. I mean other than the ridiculous takes that Prohm was a better coach than Hoiberg which you constantly made, and now have to eat crow for, why are you so bitter about T.J potentially getting the job.

 

[mynameisjonas]

I live and die all things Iowa State. I’ve been a fan since the late 80’s. I hope this program can get back to winning basketball after Prohm drove it into the ground.
I don’t care if it is T.J., DeVries or Craig Smith. Any of those three are better than the current head coach. What I don’t understand is why @mynameisjonas, @jsb and @catstevens hate everything associated with the Hoiberg area. I mean other than the ridiculous takes that Prohm was a better coach than Hoiberg which you constantly made, and now have to eat crow for, why are you so bitter about T.J potentially getting the job.

I don’t hate Hoiberg at all. In fact if Hoiberg said he wanted to come back I’d be cool with it. But that is just not going to happen, and it’s obvious to 95% of the fan base. The Hoiberg era is over. The sooner you come to terms with that fact the better. Bringing in lolTJ would be an epic mistake by Pollard.

 

[Brandon]

Hoiberg isn't coming back. JFC

 

[rochclone]

I don’t hate Hoiberg at all. In fact if Hoiberg said he wanted to come back I’d be cool with it. But that is just not going to happen, and it’s obvious to 95% of the fan base. The Hoiberg era is over. The sooner you come to terms with that fact the better. Bringing in lolTJ would be an epic mistake by Pollard.

A bigger mistake then the one he made 6 years ago. Unlikely.

 

[rochclone]

Hoiberg isn't coming back. JFC

Nobody believes that Hoiberg is coming back. There are some on the board that are Anti-T.J. because they are Anti-Hoiberg or don’t like the fact T.J. has coached here before.

 

[jsb]

I live and die all things Iowa State. I’ve been a fan since the late 80’s. I hope this program can get back to winning basketball after Prohm drove it into the ground.
I don’t care if it is T.J., DeVries or Craig Smith. Any of those three are better than the current head coach. What I don’t understand is why @mynameisjonas, @jsb and @catstevens hate everything associated with the Hoiberg area. I mean other than the ridiculous takes that Prohm was a better coach than Hoiberg which you constantly made, and now have to eat crow for, why are you so bitter about T.J potentially getting the job.

I don’t hate the Hoiberg era. I don’t care one tiny bit about him now though except to hope he doesn’t succeed since I hate the Bulls and I hate nebraska. I’m not sure how I would feel if he went to a team that I didn’t hate. For example if he coached the nuggets or Sacramento I’d probably want them to win. I do find it satisfying that he had a good thing going here and he hasn’t had near that amount of success since he left. But I’m very petty.

I don’t like how it was handled in 2015 with TJ. I just don’t.

But like I’ve repeatedly said, once he’s named the coach, I’ll be on board because I’m very loyal to Iowa State.

 

[madguy30]

Hoiberg isn't coming back. JFC

Not with that attitude.

 

[AllInForISU]

Nobody believes that Hoiberg is coming back. There are some on the board that are Anti-T.J. because they are Anti-Hoiberg or don’t like the fact T.J. has coached here before.

TJ is literally only being mentioned as a potential candidate because he coached here before. He wouldn't be on any radar if he didn't because in reality he hasn't been that good. He hasn't proven anything with his own players, pretty much like Prohm when he came from Murray State.

The pro-TJ crowd acts like TJ was the reason Fred was successful. Fred caught lightning in a bottle here. He was/is a fantastic Xs and Os coach and was on the transfer situation before anyone else thought it was cool or could work.

TJ is not there yet, I am not high on the idea of hiring a coach struggling in the MWC. He has shown he is a good recruiter but we already have seen what happens with good players but no direction. He has been just fine at mid-major programs, but the first one he was at he had a generational type player. I want a coach who was either fantastic at a mid-major, especially with the Xs and Os or someone who has shown they can win at the P5 level like Beilien, Motta, or Oates.

 

[Cat Stevens]

I live and die all things Iowa State. I’ve been a fan since the late 80’s. I hope this program can get back to winning basketball after Prohm drove it into the ground.
I don’t care if it is T.J., DeVries or Craig Smith. Any of those three are better than the current head coach. What I don’t understand is why @mynameisjonas, @jsb and @catstevens hate everything associated with the Hoiberg area. I mean other than the ridiculous takes that Prohm was a better coach than Hoiberg which you constantly made, and now have to eat crow for, why are you so bitter about T.J potentially getting the job.

You keep saying people hate fred, no one hates fred. Some of us truly understood carol truly hated living in Ames, and so he got out of here as soon as he feasibly could. No problem with that, but understand that he didn’t recruit his last year here. Understand that he failed in Chicago, gm’s rating him last among coaches. Understand that he also went to nebraska because it was his only option.

it’s the fred ball washers who had to listen to hawk fans laugh at the fact the mayor wanted out of Ames so bad he took a lousy job, and so they have worked so hard to defend his legacy.

prohm failing has not changed any of that.

and I’ve already made peace with the fact that tj will be introduced as the next head coach sometime in the spring.

 

[CYEATHAWK]

TJ is literally only being mentioned as a potential candidate because he coached here before. He wouldn't be on any radar if he didn't because in reality he hasn't been that good. He hasn't proven anything with his own players, pretty much like Prohm when he came from Murray State.

The pro-TJ crowd acts like TJ was the reason Fred was successful. Fred caught lightning in a bottle here. He was/is a fantastic Xs and Os coach and was on the transfer situation before anyone else thought it was cool or could work.

TJ is not there yet, I am not high on the idea of hiring a coach struggling in the MWC. He has shown he is a good recruiter but we already have seen what happens with good players but no direction. He has been just fine at mid-major programs, but the first one he was at he had a generational type player. I want a coach who was either fantastic at a mid-major, especially with the Xs and Os or someone who has shown they can win at the P5 level like Beilien, Motta, or Oates.

If he is to be blamed for Fred's success, shouldn't he also be blamed for GMAC's failures?

 

[rochclone]

If he is to be blamed for Fred's success, shouldn't he also be blamed for GMAC's failures?

Find me a candidate that doesn’t have some question marks and I’ll find you a candidate that makes over 3.5 million.

 

[CycloneErik]

The climate is extremely different in college basketball now from when he was here...Hoiberg was able to land a number of kids vis the transfer portal...which very few were using at the time. He also was fortunate to have Royce to start his rebuild.
He had a great identity here at ISU and was very successful getting four year guys to build his teams with.
But once he left for the Bulls and then the Cornfuckers...he hasn't had the same kind of succeess as he had at ISU. There's no guarantee he can duplicate what he did his first run here. So, for the people who think Hoiberg will work 2nd time around...it may not.

I'm all about Fred, but this is true. It might be a one-time thing.

 

[Nococy]

I'm all about Fred, but this is true. It might be a one-time thing.
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Unfortunately for Fred he has found out the grass isn’t always greener on the other side of the fence. His loss.

 

[cyrocksmypants]

Why can’t Fred use his buyout contract to buy out Prohm’s contract and come back?

I sure do miss Hoiball. Almost as much as I miss having the ability to post this.

cyclonefanatic.com

 

[GBC]

This is by far my number one choice to replace our current head coach that i refuse to call him by his name for what he has done to our basketball program. I was born in 1979 and he is by far the worst coach in my lifetime. McDermotts Bryan Peterson and Sean Haluska would beat this years team and they arent even D1 basketball players.

Craig Smith (basketball, born 1972) - Wikipedia

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[GrindingAway]

For the TJ crowd I’m curious 1) how much have you watched TJ coached teams play and 2) what do you see that is schematically different between him and our current regime.

I’ll admit I haven’t watched him a ton. A SDSU I watched but mainly to watch Daum and I distantly knew the Tellinghuisen kid from Iowa. I just watched one of the UNLV vs Utah State games replays and I if I didn’t know TJ there is no way I’d guess this is a guy we’d be interested in and in some ways not a guy I’d expect to have coached under Fred.

Offensively UNLV plays with no pace (understand this is just one game but their Ken Pom tempo is 238th). They run sets that look a lot like Iowa State. There is an initial action that is ok but it’s only the primary action. Everyone else stands and watches and when the action breaks down it breaks down into iso. They also ran a lot of pass/cut dribble drive type action but the ball movement was really slow and again ended up in mostly iso. Their saving grace in this game is they shot the ball very well including some really tough shots.

Defensively I had trouble figuring out their scheme. Rotations were lazy. I don’t know what their plan was against a ball screen. They gave up a lot offensive rebounds. It felt really familiar honestly. They eventually switched to a zone because they couldn’t defend.

TJ is an outstanding recruiter, I get it. He has Ames ties that would make him a long term guy if successful, I get it. He’s a really good guy, I get it. Someone tell me a basketball in game reason he’s an upgrade though. My admittedly small sample size that was hard to find. I should note I actually would love him to be the guy because it’s a good story and I think he’d love to stay here. I just don’t see it based on this game.