I think it's time we fire all the coaches and release all the players from their scholarships and not field a football team. If we can't win all our games we need to just not field a team so we don't disappoint so many expert fans each Saturday.
*^% damn Peiople
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What TheCaptain actually said was that there was more talent on the roster than he had ever seen.
It helps if you get your quotes straight, I suppose. And "how he would know" might have something to do with the fact that TheCaptain played for ISU, had a long NFL career, and has been involved with the program since. Is that good enough for everyone?
I suspect it makes him more an authority on the subject than 99.99999% of the posters here...and I just gave up on typing more "nines".
As for a poster saying that Rhoads has had "bad recruiting", at best, that's an ignorant statement, and just another excuse to trash the coaching staff.
If anyone wants a "quick turnaround" next year, I'm saying that having all of your starting offensive linemen both returning AND healthy--along with a whole bunch of other injured players--is going to make this team look a heck of a lot better. And, correspondingly, make the coaches look that much better.
Unfortunately, some people are so desperate to blame someone as a focus for their frustration, they'll pick out whoever is convenient. And that includes coaches and players.
You are delusional.
Recruting Rankings
2013 9
2012 10
2011 9
2010 9
2009 9
Big 12 Standings
2013 10
2012 9
2011 8
To be fair, if I'm "delusional", you're willfully ignorant, if all that you bother to look at--and rely upon to make an judgement-- is "recruiting rankings". How superficial an evaluation is that?
Good grief, Nigel Tribune didn't even have a profile, let alone stars, and you can't see with your own eyes that he belies "recruiting rankings"???
Actually, perhaps I should ask--are you calling ME "delusional", or TheCaptain? This one, I'm actually kinda curious about. :yes:
Recruiting stars aren't everything but they are pretty darn indicative a a team's talent level. Use your own eyes and see that we are terrible.
You are right. We should be happy with a passing game that is ranked 92, a rushing game that is ranked 97, a scoring offense game that is ranked 97, and a total offense that is ranked 111, that is 12 from the bottom in the NCAA. These coaches get paid a lot of money to do what they do, just like in any job if you don't do your job well, your employment should be questioned.
Excellent post. As a native Iowan who lives in the South, I have never understood the inferiority complex people have about Ames. It is a GREAT college town. It should be a fairly easy sell to parents who want their boy going to a safe city, better than average fans, facilities and academics. Gorgeous campus. Family environment, which many of these kids need. People sell Ames short. I miss being on campus every day. Best decision I ever made was going there, in hindsight. Compared to other campuses, we have tons more going for us. Be Proud of that!
Wow, Ames is better than Corvallis Oregon? and Boise Idaho? what are you smoking? I love Ames, but these are exceptionally beautiful places to live. (okay, so i've actually only spent time in Corvallis, just passed through Boise but thought it seemed very cool for an Iowa boy)
I thought I would copy McCarney's ISU record below from Wikipedia. Puts things in perspective for me on this season. I also want to reiterate a point that many people don't seem to let sink in with all the emotion flying. With a relatively healthy O-Line, not to mention other positions, what might be ISU's record? I bet we'd go 5-7. Momentum can change so much in a game and in a season. Maybe just a few more wins and the sky isn't falling anymore. Suddenly people would put the season in perspective and look ahead to good things to come. So I tend to agree that people need to relax a bit.
| 1996 | Iowa State | 2–9 | 1–7 | 6th (North) | |||
| 1997 | Iowa State | 1–10 | 1–7 | 6th (North) | |||
| 1998 | Iowa State | 3–8 | 1–7 | T–5th (North) | |||
| 1999 | Iowa State | 4–7 | 1–7 | T–5th (North) | |||
| 2000 | Iowa State | 9–3 | 5–3 | 3rd (North) | W Insight.com | 23 | 25 |
| 2001 | Iowa State | 7–5 | 4–4 | 3rd (North) | L Independence | ||
| 2002 | Iowa State | 7–7 | 4–4 | 3rd (North) | L Humanitarian | ||
| 2003 | Iowa State | 2–10 | 0–8 | 6th (North) | |||
| 2004 | Iowa State | 7–5 | 4–4 | T–1st (North) | W Independence | ||
| 2005 | Iowa State | 7–5 | 4–4 | T–2nd (North) | L Houston | ||
| 2006 | Iowa State | 4–8 | 1–7 | 6th (North) |
This team got manhandled by a bad UNI team, when they still were healthy. Spin it all you want, make yourself feel better all you want but that is a fact.
There are real underlying issues with this team. The first one is the injury problem. What is going on there. Why since moving into the new complex and using the new equipment have injuries been way up, is there something to this or just bad luck.
The other is lack of offense and QB development/regressing the last 2 years. Its not that this team is losing it is how they are losing. There is no identity on O, no one thing they can do well, no thinking outside the box. When you only score 3 TDs in 3 games that are not at the end of the game, there are issues. This offense is raked 111 in the NCAA. 111. 111. That is not good, its laughable. There is no way changes will not be made on this staff, hell I don't know how some coaches still have jobs this week.
This team got manhandled by a bad UNI team, when they still were healthy. Spin it all you want, make yourself feel better all you want but that is a fact.
There are real underlying issues with this team. The first one is the injury problem. What is going on there. Why since moving into the new complex and using the new equipment have injuries been way up, is there something to this or just bad luck.
The other is lack of offense and QB development/regressing the last 2 years. Its not that this team is losing it is how they are losing. There is no identity on O, no one thing they can do well, no thinking outside the box. When you only score 3 TDs in 3 games that are not at the end of the game, there are issues. This offense is raked 111 in the NCAA. 111. 111. That is not good, its laughable. There is no way changes will not be made on this staff, hell I don't know how some coaches still have jobs this week.
I simply do not accept losing to UNI and then getting destroyed in three straight games. I tired of hearing about how this is the most talented team ever assembled at ISU, yet we are getting early 90s results on the field. I am not calling for Rhoads to be fired, but he deserves a ton of criticism. Every team has injuries. Every team has recruiting misses. I am just tired of the excuses.
If Messingham isn't fired after this season then I will not be purchasing season tickets next year.
If Messingham isn't fired after this season then I will not be purchasing season tickets next year.
People keep bringing up UNI and I know that hurts, and I actually partially agree, but I think its hasty to judge too much from that game. What I think the UNI loss bears out is OC poor play calling- that's where I agree. But our D was lost in that game too. But then look at how we played against Iowa and Tulsa, and Texas. Against Iowa we didn't put up good offense, but things began to come together. One question I have is, why do people blame OC Mess for not running our JUCO All-American more. How does that not fall on Rhoads just as much? Regardless, things began to get on track, but with all the injuries, inexperience, and lack of depth, now we are totally derailed. But I think the 3 games mentioned are a clue to the direction this season could have gone without the injuries.
I think the primary thing that the UNI game, and to a degree the Iowa game, is that injuries cannot be used as an excuse for this team. Against UNI, and even against Iowa, the team was relatively healthy. Plus, all teams have to deal with injuries. Another problem that some injuries being so devastating to this team points out is that in the 5th year of a program, virtually no depth has been built up, which is the best way that teams can deal with injuries.
All people are really saying is that injuries cannot be a valid excuse for the problems of this team.
I guess I just feel there are excuses for this season. I'll be a bit more upset if I see the same next year with all of the experience the team should've gained from this season. I have no loser mentality, I just trust the Athletic Dept knows more than our fanbase, so I'll choose to look the other way for now.
I've had season tickets for close to 20 years, and I'll more than likely be a season ticket holder 20 years from now. I'm not going to give my AD an ultimatum when we already field a small budget. Ever think that might be the reason we are where we are? For those of you going to hold out all of your mighty dollars, fine, get the **** out!
I've had season tickets for close to 20 years, and I'll more than likely be a season ticket holder 20 years from now. I'm not going to give my AD an ultimatum when we already field a small budget. Ever think that might be the reason we are where we are? For those of you going to hold out all of your mighty dollars, fine, get the **** out!
How often have we had better A, or B? Do you know that our talent is that poor? Or is it that we have young ISU recruited talent playing before they've had an opportunity to develop?
I don't know the answer, but I want to see what we look like next year. Firing CPR and JP will not allow us to get the talent that is verbally committed right now. I really believe recruiting has taken a big upswing. We just didn't have it in place in time to avoid this year's collapse. I'm not saying that because we are ISU we can't compete, because going into this season most of us believed we could compete week in and week out.
