Coaching Prospects

[im4cyclones]

He is 1 for 4 thus far, but the Chizik hire may not be as bad as it seemed in 2008.

Chizik has too small of a sample size to judge either way. The fact is that he did bring in talent. But JP can't hire a coach with contingencies on his assistants. That was Chizik's biggest issue.

McDermott had 3 straight 20-win seasons at UNI. His four years were weren't great but weren't necessarily terrible. Must not have been a disaster or Creighton wouldn't have hired him.

Rhoads would be the only one that hasn't worked and would necessitate getting fired.

 

[brianhos]

I hate to agree with you, but that's where I'm at as well. It's almost sickening to think about that.

I think he realizes his job is in jeopardy also.

 

[Spam]

Chizik has too small of a sample size to judge either way. The fact is that he did bring in talent. But JP can't hire a coach with contingencies on his assistants. That was Chizik's biggest issue.

McDermott had 3 straight 20-win seasons at UNI. His four years were weren't great but weren't necessarily terrible. Must not have been a disaster or Creighton wouldn't have hired him.

Rhoads would be the only one that hasn't worked and would necessitate getting fired.

Don't think Creighton hired McD based on his achievements at ISU. It was what he did at UNI that got him the Creighton job. The hope that McD could do great in a non major conference. If anything I'd say the McDermott was a bigger disaster than Paul Rhoads.

 

[jahfg]

Wish we would have had the balls to make a hire like Johnson at Georgia Tech. They have way more history and significant recruiting advantages, but they were struggling and now contend for ACC titles running a triple option.

 

[Spam]

Rich Rodriguez seems to be doing a fine job at Arizona. Wish we found someone like that.

 

[swarthmoreCY]

Chizik has too small of a sample size to judge either way. The fact is that he did bring in talent. But JP can't hire a coach with contingencies on his assistants. That was Chizik's biggest issue.

McDermott had 3 straight 20-win seasons at UNI. His four years were weren't great but weren't necessarily terrible. Must not have been a disaster or Creighton wouldn't have hired him.

Rhoads would be the only one that hasn't worked and would necessitate getting fired.

JP does not hire assistants, but it is his job to make certain hiring good assistants is part of the plan. Knowing the potential coach's plan on how he intends to win at ISU includes that. If the answer is hiring out of work fishing buddies you better keep looking.

No, McD was terrible and didn't work. How Creighton feels is irrelevant.
CPR didn't work and it is clear JP didn't know what to look for, just like with Chizik. He tends to love himself the offcourt/field human interest ******** so there is little doubt he ate up Chiz's evangelicalism. Chizik may or may not have won more had he stayed, but he certainly was not in the good worked out category. IMO his value was maxed out as the guy setting up the following coach.

 

[isucy86]

Not sure why some people are so critical of JP's coaching hires. Hindsight is 20/20. At the time Chizek was viewed as an awesome hire? He was energetic and had solid defenses at Texas and Auburn. Chiziks problem (other than bolting after 2 years), was he didn't make any effort to recruit Iowa HS kids and he did a poor job of hiring assistant coaches.

GMac was also viewed as a really good hire. He had success at UNI and had the professionalism that JP wanted from a head coach. At the time it seemed like a race between ISU and Iowa to hire GMac.

IMO Rhoads has made some of the same mistakes as Chizik. Sure ISU signs a couple Iowa HS kids every year, but I don't think Rhoads and staff work the state hard to find great athletes who can be really good college players e.g. Jake Knott. Rhoads has also struggled with some of his coordinator hires.

 

[Ficklone02]

Wish we would have had the balls to make a hire like Johnson at Georgia Tech. They have way more history and significant recruiting advantages, but they were struggling and now contend for ACC titles running a triple option.

I like watching Ga Tech, something like the flexbone might work for us. Anything different really, from what everyone else is doing would be good.

 

[RealisticCy]

When the time comes for a new coach (should've been after last year, sure looks to be coming after this season) JP has to go mid-major. Getting a coordinator from a successful P5 conference (assuming they would want the job) whose history has been working with superior athletes and high level recruits will turn out just like Chizik and Rhoads. We need someone who has a track record of taking low level recruits and developing them over 5 years into better football players. We will never get recruiting classes full of the best athletes, so we will have to do more with less. Also need to run a system that fits our potential recruits. When everyone runs the spread, it is not an advantage to do the same thing with less talent. We were giving 10 yard cushions to the Iowa WR's; how far back will our CB's be during TCU/Baylor?

Get a young HC and staff that can take a 260 pound Iowa farm kid, put 40 pounds of muscle on him during his redshirt and true freshman years, and turn him into a road grader. A coach that knows how to give inferior talent a chance against better teams. Install an offense that burns clock and keeps the other spread offenses off the field and our own defense fresh. But it all starts with recruiting kids with the right mindset and work ethic, and then developing them and making them better over 5 years. Redshirt nearly everyone, no more relying on JUCO coaches to develop player talent. Do it ourselves, within our system, so we can have juniors and seniors that are invested in the success of the program.

 

[PFlatts]

I dont care who it is....I'll take Donald Trump if we can start winning six games again.

 

[Cyclonick182]

Why the lack of trust in JP's hiring? This would be his only hire that didn't work out.

Its not a lack of trust in hiring as much as a lack of trust in letting go. I don't pretend to speak for anyone but myself but I don't feel that JP has the fortitude to get rid of someone that he is close to. I don't see him separating business and personal, especially after having kept Rhoads for another season and trying to lock down Gmac. I would be alright with being proved wrong but I don't see it. I think the odds are higher that we keep Rhoads for another year if this one hits the tank than him being let go if its another 1-3 win campaign.

 

[cygrads]

Its not a lack of trust in hiring as much as a lack of trust in letting go. I don't pretend to speak for anyone but myself but I don't feel that JP has the fortitude to get rid of someone that he is close to. I don't see him separating business and personal, especially after having kept Rhoads for another season and trying to lock down Gmac. I would be alright with being proved wrong but I don't see it. I think the odds are higher that we keep Rhoads for another year if this one hits the tank than him being let go if its another 1-3 win campaign.

I agree with you but I wonder if President Leath will get involved and force a change.

 

[Gunnerclone]

When the time comes for a new coach (should've been after last year, sure looks to be coming after this season) JP has to go mid-major. Getting a coordinator from a successful P5 conference (assuming they would want the job) whose history has been working with superior athletes and high level recruits will turn out just like Chizik and Rhoads. We need someone who has a track record of taking low level recruits and developing them over 5 years into better football players. We will never get recruiting classes full of the best athletes, so we will have to do more with less. Also need to run a system that fits our potential recruits. When everyone runs the spread, it is not an advantage to do the same thing with less talent. We were giving 10 yard cushions to the Iowa WR's; how far back will our CB's be during TCU/Baylor?

Get a young HC and staff that can take a 260 pound Iowa farm kid, put 40 pounds of muscle on him during his redshirt and true freshman years, and turn him into a road grader. A coach that knows how to give inferior talent a chance against better teams. Install an offense that burns clock and keeps the other spread offenses off the field and our own defense fresh. But it all starts with recruiting kids with the right mindset and work ethic, and then developing them and making them better over 5 years. Redshirt nearly everyone, no more relying on JUCO coaches to develop player talent. Do it ourselves, within our system, so we can have juniors and seniors that are invested in the success of the program.

The 80's and 90's were great, weren't they?

 

[RealisticCy]

The 80's and 90's were great, weren't they?

From what I hear, they were awful. From what I have seen, the past 6+ of Division 2 talent running the same scheme's that the rest of the Big 12 runs with D-1 players has been pretty comparable.

 

[AWOL2000]

From what I hear, they were awful. From what I have seen, the past 6+ of Division 2 talent running the same scheme's that the rest of the Big 12 runs with D-1 players has been pretty comparable.

They're not even close. 80s 90s were waaaaaay worse

 

[Gunnerclone]

From what I hear, they were awful. From what I have seen, the past 6+ of Division 2 talent running the same scheme's that the rest of the Big 12 runs with D-1 players has been pretty comparable.

That was a commentary on how CFB works now as opposed to how it worked back then.

 

[CycloneErik]

Let's try something revolutionary and hire all the coaches.
If we're the only place with coaches, we have to have the best staff anywhere.

 

[Rabbuk]

Let's try something revolutionary and hire all the coaches.
If we're the only place with coaches, we have to have the best staff anywhere.

Or...we could have no coaches, and then we can't have bad coaches.

 

[00clone]

The question ive started to have on that... was that Herman's doing, or was Rhoads meddling too much in herman's offense. It was highly rumored there were disagreements about how things should go between the two. He's had success everywhere else, and everyone blamed him here at the time because they loved Rhoads, but maybe over time it appears that Rhoads is the common element in the failed offenses here.

Well, if it's like anything else cool, or trendy, or popular with recruits, paul probably told tom he wasn't going for this whole "effective offense that scres a lot" crap.

 

[NEICyFan]

Not sure why some people are so critical of JP's coaching hires. Hindsight is 20/20. At the time Chizek was viewed as an awesome hire? He was energetic and had solid defenses at Texas and Auburn. Chiziks problem (other than bolting after 2 years), was he didn't make any effort to recruit Iowa HS kids and he did a poor job of hiring assistant coaches.

GMac was also viewed as a really good hire. He had success at UNI and had the professionalism that JP wanted from a head coach. At the time it seemed like a race between ISU and Iowa to hire GMac.

IMO Rhoads has made some of the same mistakes as Chizik. Sure ISU signs a couple Iowa HS kids every year, but I don't think Rhoads and staff work the state hard to find great athletes who can be really good college players e.g. Jake Knott. Rhoads has also struggled with some of his coordinator hires.

ADs live in a hindsight world. Their job is to actually produce, not just make moves that look good or look like they will produce. Just saying "well they looked good at the time" does not cut it.

That said, JP's job is no way in jeopardy. He's on firm ground even if we finish 1-11.