Campbell Still in Demand?

[MeowingCows]

Sure, but if we're going to start piling up 3 win seasons, then Campbell isn't competent, either.
Next year's really the tell.

Well, if it's really as simple as "he's a system coach" and "everyone figured him out", it sure seems like we already know the answer. Call up the hiring agency.

I don't personally buy that, because the product they've put on the field this season doesn't follow his previous "system" whatsoever.

 

[ZRF]

This is why you don't hire or keep friends on the job for "being friends".

If he goes into this offseason with little to no change he's put himself on the hot seat. Like Rhodes (with Burnham), Ferentz with his son, and countless coaches elsewhere, he'd be prioritizing loyalty/relationships over accountability, something he demands from his team. That's inexcusable and reprehensible. If that's followed by more putrid results his firing should be (at least) discussed. Another bad season and he should be gone.

I think Campbell is a great motivator and an above average recruiter. He's obviously very passionate about the game. But after 6-7 years I question his ability to fix internal issues (staff). His game management skills are abysmal and I've seen little to no improvement with either of these issues. I'd be shocked if his luster wasn't tarnished greatly after this year and it should have less to do with the overall record and more about how the biggest problems have BEEN big problems and have been poorly addressed. If I was another school's AD I'd be looking elsewhere, IMO.

 

[TheJackWePack5]

I'm not panicking... We lost a lot of quality players to graduation and the NFL. We are not a blue blood and can simply reload every year. ISU is a young team taking some lumps and growing. I believe we will be fine. It's not like the cupboard is empty and we are getting blown out every week.

This. We’ve lost 5 games by 28 total points. A play or two each game from being 6-2 or 5-3.

Hopefully a more experienced team in the future will make more of those winning plays.

 

[Cyinthenorth]

I honestly believe he’d get four years of the same results doing the same things before hard questions are even asked by anyone that matters. This is the guy that won the Fiesta Bowl.

We all know Paul Rhoads would have gotten another year if he defeated Kansas State in 2015.

How many years would Prohm have gotten if he kept up 10-15 wins a year? He had to produce the worst season in the history of Iowa State basketball to be sent off.

I'll say this about Campbell. I don't see the job wearing on him yet. He doesn't look distressed, tired, angry etc. He isn't visibly aging before our eyes like we watched Rhoads start to drastically from 2013-2015. It's early on, and this is really the first adversity-type season he has faced. He is still chipper with the media and hasn't given any indication that he is a man angry at God. I am sincerely hoping that this year is just a blip and things will be fine moving forward. Maybe we can even get a win or two before wrapping up this particular season.

 

[surly]

Wait, you're willing to go winless in conference this year, 3-9 the year after, and then wait to go 3-9 again before doing something?

ISU is not going winless. That will end Saturday.

 

[ZRF]

Both of those last two points are bad. Rhoads was cooked either way, that loss was just insult to injury. Our fanbase felt that the entire season. Rhoads cycled out assistants constantly.

Prohm would've had less leash than McDermott, which was 4 years. His firing year was, what, the second bad year in 3? He had one more to reach the tourney again, max. This also was after he cycled his assistants.

Campbell's seat would begin to warm up after another bad year next season. Now the question of him rotating offensive staff after this or the following year remains.

Yet he kept ole Wally around, despite his defenses being consistently torched.

 

[MeowingCows]

Yet he kept ole Wally around, despite his defenses being consistently torched.

The first few defenses were alright, he bought some time with that. The latter half were not, definitely.

Then Campbell's staff tried doing the same things Wally was for a season and a half. It wasn't just Wally.

 

[Jer]

Technically the odds of any coach crashing and burning is many times more than them having long term success. That stat applies across the board, generally.

With that said, only time will tell and CMC is going to get every opportunity possible, he’s earned that much.

But, that shouldn’t be mistaken with him being off limits for criticism. He’s a coach and should always be fair game to question, be upset with, think they’re doing x or y incorrectly, etc.

I think people forget you can both support somebody - and even like or love them - AND criticize their decisions, focus, concepts, etc.

 

[joefrog]

This. We’ve lost 5 games by 28 total points. A play or two each game from being 6-2 or 5-3.

Hopefully a more experienced team in the future will make more of those winning plays.

Don't you get it? That's exactly the problem. We should have lost the Iowa game too, and the KSU game by another touchdown.

CampbellBall requires near perfection to achieve victory, which our opponents have figured out.

They simply flip it and do it better against us, because this staff refuses to make necessary adjustments on offense, and rarely puts pressure on a defense.

Close losses are still losses, and if we couldn't get it done with NFL talent at skill positions, I don't feel really positive about the future now that our opponents have a blueprint for victory.

 

[Cyinthenorth]

Both of those last two points are bad. Rhoads was cooked either way, that loss was just insult to injury. Our fanbase felt that the entire season. Rhoads cycled out assistants constantly.

Prohm would've had less leash than McDermott, which was 4 years. His firing year was, what, the second bad year in 3? He had one more to reach the tourney again, max. This also was after he cycled his assistants.

Campbell's seat would begin to warm up after another bad year next season. Now the question of him rotating offensive staff after this or the following year remains.

Agree on Prohm, not that it pertains to this thread at all. But had he won at least a couple Big 12 games, he'd probably have been brought back for one more stab at it. There would have been a lot of forgiveness for the Covid year if Prohm could have had them playing with even a fraction of competence. Thank God they were so inept that year...

 

[Clone95]

People dogging Campbell for being too loyal to some coaches have to realize that the same loyalty and relationship is what keeps Heacock here.

Also, there hasn't been a reasonable argument to fire Manning or Myers before this season, so I don't know why people are just jumping to the conclusion that Campbell won't make any changes. He did after the ND game in 2019.

 

[MeowingCows]

People dogging Campbell for being too loyal to some coaches have to realize that the same loyalty and relationship is what keeps Heacock here.

Also, there hasn't been a reasonable argument to fire Manning or Myers before this season, so I don't know why people are just jumping to the conclusion that Campbell won't make any changes. He did after the ND game in 2019.

You could make one for Myers for years now -- our OL has continually held us back, and at no point in time showed meaningful improvement regardless of what personnel is on the field. There's been no development.

 

[Stormin]

Sure, but if we're going to start piling up 3 win seasons, then Campbell isn't competent, either.
Next year's really the tell.

Iowa State has a history of hiring incompetent coaches. Or making coaches appear incompetent then.

You are calling for firing Campbell because you “think” he is finished. At 42 years of age. With all the success he has had till now. Odds are Campbell rebounds. Very few losing seasons. How many losing seasons in a row has Campbell ever had?

Campbell has had one losing season in his career. His first season at Iowa State. And this season may be his second.

 

[Cyinthenorth]

People dogging Campbell for being too loyal to some coaches have to realize that the same loyalty and relationship is what keeps Heacock here.

Also, there hasn't been a reasonable argument to fire Manning or Myers before this season, so I don't know why people are just jumping to the conclusion that Campbell won't make any changes. He did after the ND game in 2019.

For me personally, this was kind of the make or break year for Myers.

 

[LtRaczack]

Both of those last two points are bad. Rhoads was cooked either way, that loss was just insult to injury. Our fanbase felt that the entire season. Rhoads cycled out assistants constantly.

Prohm would've had less leash than McDermott, which was 4 years. His firing year was, what, the second bad year in 3? He had one more to reach the tourney again, max. This also was after he cycled his assistants.

Campbell's seat would begin to warm up after another bad year next season. Now the question of him rotating offensive staff after this or the following year remains.

Rhoads was fired directly after the Kansas State game. He celebrated like a fool when they made that final stop on defense before he sent Mike Warren on that fatal up the gut run to kill the clock. He knew his job was on the line but clearly believed he could still save it. Why else did he give the greatest example of playing not to lose in that game with a 21 point lead in the second half? Because he was cooked and knew he was done at the end of the season?

McDermott was never on any leash. He decided to leave on his own. We all thanked him for it as the best thing he ever did for Cyclone basketball. He would have been back next season. Prohm would have been given a few more years if he would have averaged 13-15 wins and even an odd 10-win season as a down year.

 

[CycloneErik]

Iowa State has a history of hiring incompetent coaches. Or making coaches appear incompetent then.

You are calling for firing Campbell because you “think” he is finished. At 42 years of age. With all the success he has had till now. Odds are Campbell rebounds. Very few losing seasons. How many losing seasons in a row has Campbell ever had?

Campbell has had one losing season in his career. His first season at Iowa State. And this season may be his second.

You should read gooder. I haven't mentioned firing him yet.

 

[joefrog]

Odds are Campbell crashes and burns. That's the norm if someone drops like this.

Our special teams are getting worse, and cost us the Oklahoma game, Texas game, and should have cost us the Iowa game. In year 7.

We are almost guaranteed to run a run play after a big play.

Our coach still makes ridiculous, rookie in game mistakes, and this team cannot run a two minute drill to save its life.

In year 7.

Either there is a significant shakeup in the staff, or, well, we will, indeed, crash and burn.

 

[LtRaczack]

I'll say this about Campbell. I don't see the job wearing on him yet. He doesn't look distressed, tired, angry etc. He isn't visibly aging before our eyes like we watched Rhoads start to drastically from 2013-2015. It's early on, and this is really the first adversity-type season he has faced. He is still chipper with the media and hasn't given any indication that he is a man angry at God. I am sincerely hoping that this year is just a blip and things will be fine moving forward. Maybe we can even get a win or two before wrapping up this particular season.

Hope so.

 

[joefrog]

Well, if it's really as simple as "he's a system coach" and "everyone figured him out", it sure seems like we already know the answer. Call up the hiring agency.

I don't personally buy that, because the product they've put on the field this season doesn't follow his previous "system" whatsoever.

It follows it exactly. It just no longer has the benefit of being new and having multiple NFL caliber RBs on the squad to mask the incompetence.

 

[Stormin]

Our special teams are getting worse, and cost us the Oklahoma game, Texas game, and should have cost us the Iowa game. In year 7.

We are almost guaranteed to run a run play after a big play.

Our coach still makes ridiculous, rookie in game mistakes, and this team cannot run a two minute drill to save its life.

In year 7.

Either there is a significant shakeup in the staff, or, well, we will, indeed, crash and burn.

Hawk Troll telling us to get rid of Campbell.