Campbell Still in Demand?

[Thomasrickj]

All it takes is an 8 win season and people will forget this year happened. I still like Dekkers upside. The kid is only a sophomore. Brock was still making freshman mistakes his sr year.

Brock wasn't making nearly as many mistakes as Dekkers when Brock was a sophomore. When Dekkers had time this past weekend he still made horrible throws for interceptions. Purdy was a lot further ahead of Dekkers at the same time in his collegiate career. I don't think Dekkers is the right guy for this job. Many will disagree, but he gets worse every week and can always be counted on for multiple turnovers a game.

 

[nfrine]

Excuses are growing old.

Joe, you are the one growing old.

 

[CyBobby]

He better than most coaches we've had but he's not nearly as good as some in our fan base think. We are just a few players away though. It's not like we are getting beat by 30-40 points. But we'll never be anything without a consistently good O-Line. We need a few transfers.

This Offensive Line just can not RUN BLOCK! And without a running game the Defenses just drop eight guys back and it's impossible to get into the end zone!

WANTED A NEW OFFENSIVE LINE COACH AND BETTER RECRUITS!!

 

[CyBobby]

Brock wasn't making nearly as many mistakes as Dekkers when Brock was a sophomore. When Dekkers had time this past weekend he still made horrible throws for interceptions. Purdy was a lot further ahead of Dekkers at the same time in his collegiate career. I don't think Dekkers is the right guy for this job. Many will disagree, but he gets worse every week and can always be counted on for multiple turnovers a game.

I AGREE Dekkers is not the right QB for Big 12 Football!

 

[CyBobby]

I think the overall premise of this thread makes sense.

I think after this year and, maybe moreso last year, his stock at the types of schools that would be an upgrade from here has definitely fallen. They might look at a year like this year and go "well, theyre iowa state, they have to rebuild every so often, he just needs more consistent talent like we'd have", but last year might be more damaging to his upward stock in that they go "when he did have the talent, they only went 7-6"

Does that mean we should fire him at the end of the season? Absolutely not. Anyone who says so needs to get their head examined. But I'd guess this will be a much quieter season for schools calling up Campbell.

JUST FOR THE RECORD I DON'T WANT Matt Campbell FIRED!!

What I do want is a NEW OFFENSIVE LINE COACH AND BETTER RECRUITING!!

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

Brock wasn't making nearly as many mistakes as Dekkers when Brock was a sophomore. When Dekkers had time this past weekend he still made horrible throws for interceptions. Purdy was a lot further ahead of Dekkers at the same time in his collegiate career. I don't think Dekkers is the right guy for this job. Many will disagree, but he gets worse every week and can always be counted on for multiple turnovers a game.

Give him a running game and better line play and things are drastically different.

 

[Kettes]

The "this is embarrassing" mantra is getting old. Many of us just want a new OC and ST coach. Not totally sure that would solve our problems, but it would be a good start. Is it too much to ask for some 3 down plays that aren't crossing passes 4 yards short of the sticks?

 

[TClone99]

Good luck selling Campbell to any school that considers itself a serious football school. You think Nebraska can seriously bring in a coach who just went 0-9 in the B12? Come on.

Some on here seem to be making the argument that all of Campbell’s success here is because of Campbell but the recent failures are an “Iowa State can’t do football” thing that Campbell will not be held accountable for.

 

[CycloneVet]

All of ISU's problems stem from coaching, and CMC has shown a complete unwillingness to change either strategy or tactics related to the offensive side of the ball.

He should have already fired Manning, if not in the offseason, during this season to get the attention of everyone, and show the fans that there is accountability in this program.

Wait! Oh my! ISU is lined up and ready to go with tempo.......oh no. Another sideline look, and a random snap. Go State!

You are a dip **** and likely a Hawk fan. GTFO

 

[Stormin]

Some on here seem to be making the argument that all of Campbell’s success here is because of Campbell but the recent failures are an “Iowa State can’t do football” thing that Campbell will not be held accountable for.

My argument is that Campbell is a great coach going through some tough times as the team struggles. Trust him to fix things. Support him and the team through our struggles. All of the ******** and moaning solves nothing.

 

[CycloneVet]

My argument is that Campbell is a great coach going through some tough times as the team struggles. Trust him to fix things. Support him and the team through our struggles. All of the ******** and moaning solves nothing.

This x100

 

[swiacy]

The last two years have taken a little luster off his resume but he’s still in demand. Next year will be very important for him here at ISU assuming he stays. Need to see a positive upward trend in scoring as the D is not the problem. I am surprised by the lack of a run game threat as putting quality RBs into the NFL is his calling card and I doubt he has forgotten how to do that. Seeing how he produced top of the B12 offenses in the past, I am leaning toward a Meyers problem. It’s hard to tell if our two top RBs are dinged as they can’t show much when immediately after the hand off they are fighting to find the line of scrimmage. That’s not on the OC.

 

[Thomasrickj]

Give him a running game and better line play and things are drastically different.

Sure, that's true. At the same time he makes horrible throws a lot more than most Big 12 guys, even though a lot of his interceptions come when he has time.

 

[MugNight]

CMC canned Rudy Wade and brought in Andrews when it was clear that we were getting pushed around. They altered practice intensity to give the team more gas later in the season.
They changed our defense overnight when Texas came in and spanked us.
I believe this staff can change. What I don’t know yet is what side of the line that Manning and Myers fall with CMC.

Given what we know about Prohm’s situation, I believe Pollard and Matt talk frequently about the good and the bad. I trust Pollard to give Matt his flexibility to do things his way. I also believe Pollard is a good enough leader to communicate his observations about his team’s shortcomings down to his middle manager (CMC). If anything, he is there to be a sounding board and help Matt navigate the issues.

 

[Cyinthenorth]

Brock wasn't making nearly as many mistakes as Dekkers when Brock was a sophomore. When Dekkers had time this past weekend he still made horrible throws for interceptions. Purdy was a lot further ahead of Dekkers at the same time in his collegiate career. I don't think Dekkers is the right guy for this job. Many will disagree, but he gets worse every week and can always be counted on for multiple turnovers a game.

I think he is currently. Granted, if the season continues to slip away, I wouldn't mind seeing Cook get a few snaps in the last game or two. I think the staff needs to do whatever it takes to bring in some competition for the QB1 job in the offseason. JJ Kohl is a good start, but maybe even bring in someone thru the portal with some starting experience at the D1 level. Right now, Dekkers is almost untouchable, despite being mistake prone. Nobody on the depth chart is threatening to take his job. Some competition might be what he needs.

 

[ElephantPie]

Brock wasn't making nearly as many mistakes as Dekkers when Brock was a sophomore. When Dekkers had time this past weekend he still made horrible throws for interceptions. Purdy was a lot further ahead of Dekkers at the same time in his collegiate career. I don't think Dekkers is the right guy for this job. Many will disagree, but he gets worse every week and can always be counted on for multiple turnovers a game.

Purdy was a great college QB for ISU! He also had 2 future NFL running backs and future NFL tight ends alongside him during his time here. Plus, he started 50%+ of the games his freshman year so he had quite a bit of experience already his sophomore year.

Comparing Dekkers sophomore year to Purdy's isn't fair to Dekkers. Hopefully J.Brock, Norton, & Silas are future NFL RBs, Dean is a future NFL TE, and X & Noel are future NFL WRs. But Dekkers & Purdy have different situations and the story on Dekkers isn't fully written yet.

Look at TCU last year vs this year. Last year, they finished 5-7 and that included winning 3 out of 4 one score games. Max Duggen is their QB again this year but they have a new offensive philosophy (came with a new HC; hopefully ISU can keep Campbell here for next year) and are undefeated. Growth and different results can come. It depends on A LOT of different factors in A LOT of different places.

 

[TClone99]

My argument is that Campbell is a great coach going through some tough times as the team struggles. Trust him to fix things. Support him and the team through our struggles. All of the ******** and moaning solves nothing.

I agree with you actually. When I say "held accountable" I mean by other school's looking to hire a coach. I think the thought that they would all be chalking up the recent downslide to just "Iowa State is a coaching graveyard" is insulting. I don't believe he will not be as highly sought after this offseason.

 

[Stormin]

I agree with you actually. When I say "held accountable" I mean by other school's looking to hire a coach. I think the thought that they would all be chalking up the recent downside to just "Iowa State is a coaching graveyard" is insulting. I don't believe he will not be as highly sought after this offseason.

His star has lost some luster. But he is still a star. If Campbell did fail. “Iowa State is a coaching graveyard“ could be a legitimate argument.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

Sure, that's true. At the same time he makes horrible throws a lot more than most Big 12 guys, even though a lot of his interceptions come when he has time.

He's not a high efficiency thrower and his usage rate is way too high so I would say half of his interceptions are on the coaches because they're not scheming to his strengths but I do understand that is dictated by where we are lacking currently.

 

[AuH2O]

CMC canned Rudy Wade and brought in Andrews when it was clear that we were getting pushed around. They altered practice intensity to give the team more gas later in the season.
They changed our defense overnight when Texas came in and spanked us.
I believe this staff can change. What I don’t know yet is what side of the line that Manning and Myers fall with CMC.

Given what we know about Prohm’s situation, I believe Pollard and Matt talk frequently about the good and the bad. I trust Pollard to give Matt his flexibility to do things his way. I also believe Pollard is a good enough leader to communicate his observations about his team’s shortcomings down to his middle manager (CMC). If anything, he is there to be a sounding board and help Matt navigate the issues.

While I'm not expecting Campbell to can Manning, I think the Campbell is stuck in his ways and too stubborn to change narrative is overblown. In addition to gutting the defense and making the S&C change to Andrews, they keep modifying their camp and player rotation approaches to address the late season struggles early in his tenure, and the September struggles until this season. Everything doesn't always work, but the staff is willing to change.

Maybe MC gets the offense figured out, maybe he doesn't. Maybe it's with Manning, maybe it's not. But he's a pretty damn good coach that has built a good culture here.