Bubu Thread

[VeloClone]

I'm not sure exactly what you are asking, but it doesn't say that avoiding the appearance of favoring athletes was the reason for the sanction. It says that staying the sanction would give the appearance of favoring athletes.

Why would it give that appearance is what I want to know. A student who had a limited term scholarship of any sort might move for and get a similar stay if it might affect their ability to use their scholarship before it expired. His status as an athlete should have no bearing on this case either for him or against him except for the fact that one of the sanctions against him was his ability to participate in intermural sports. If they want to go down that road they will probably be required to provide evidence that similarly situated athletes and non athletes have been similarly sanctioned. Maybe the non-athletes have had something other than their sport eligibility taken away, but still similar.

 

[swarthmoreCY]

Re: Register Exclusive: ISU asks Supreme Court to keep Palo off men's basketball team

Haven't read all the responses but I couldn't wait on this one. So you really had to slip in the O.J. case in this discussion? Dispicable. But since you brought it up, why hasn't the girl brought a civil action against BuBu? Maybe because she was caught lying to the county attorney's office and tried to fabricate evidence? And now she's left the state, reportedly with her boyfriend. You really want to keep defending Leathe and JP as they help her continue to create chaos in BuBu's life?

Would Leath and his posse on CF be as blindly illogical if the known liar had made similar claims against a woman? Not a chance. On top of that, as the court has pointed out, if what Leath is claiming is true, his manner and choice of punishment points to incompetency. If forced to, Bubu and his lawyers may have enough to make this define Leath's time at ISU.

 

[VeloClone]

How many other cases have there been where a sexual misconduct violation was brought against an athlete? In order to make comparisons to the disposition of other student athlete cases, shouldn't the severity of the allegations be similar in the cases being compared?

Just because it wasn't about sexual misconduct doesn't mean that the severity of the allegations are not similar. I think that a felony conviction is one that is similar or even more extreme in severity. I can think of one in particular that was handled very differently.

EDIT: Or even more than one case.

 

[Jordanj6502]

Saw plenty of people asking about the code of conduct. Here it is regarding sexual misconduct. Sexual Misconduct, Sexual Assault, and Sexual Harassment Involving Students | Policy Library

 

[ImJustKCClone]

I was under the impression that the ruling in Bubu's case that Leath made his decision on what is similar to that of a civil trial. The preponderance of evidence. Which basically comes down to who do you believe more based on the circumstantial evidence. If Leath believed something happened that night that violated the code of conduct, that is all he needs to make the decision he did.

Eh...go back to the original post to which I was responding. It wasn't referring to Leath, but to staff members being "100% certain" that something happened.

 

[CYKOFAN]

There are things in this story that the public doesn't know.

And you do? I thought this too and was giving Leathe the benefit of the doubt until a lot of information about this case came out in the last few weeks that answered the questions I had. I'm no longer buying the old "there are things you don't know" excuse to justify the injustice done to BuBu and the extreme bungling of this case by Leathe.

 

[Incyte]

And you do? I thought this too and was giving Leathe the benefit of the doubt until a lot of information about this case came out in the last few weeks that answered the questions I had. I'm no longer buying the old "there are things you don't know" excuse to justify the injustice done to BuBu and the extreme bungling of this case by Leathe.

You would think someone so outraged would at least be able to spell ISU's President's name correctly. Or had you never heard of him until this thread?

 

[Judoka]

^^^^Guess I should have refreshed the page first.

Leathe... Leathe.

You've been doing this the entire thread.

LEATH

 

[CYKOFAN]

Can someone please explain to me where JP failed so hard in all of this that he should be run out of town? JP has hardly even been involved in this.

-Bubu is charged, and the AD suspends him until the legal system can take its course.

-Charges are dropped, the AD rightfully reinstated Bubu and he plays the latter part of last season.

-An anonymous individual appeals to Leath, who proceeds to sit on it, and then rules against Bubu after the transfer deadline, eliminating his chances to transfer. He is allowed to remain a student in good standing.

-Bubu appeals to the BOR. The BOR rubber-stamps the president's decision.

-Bubu takes it to court, the court has concerns with the handling by the pres and the BOR and orders Bubu reinstated while the appeal takes place.

-JP, in what appears to be a CYA move driven by Leath, issues a statement that they are disappointed that the courts are inserting themselves in what the university and AD consider an internal matter.


I'm sorry, but I really can't see where JP face plants in it during this ordeal. Someone please lay out the case to me. Sure, the statement could have been a little more PC, but it was also pretty clear that he was not the soul source behind that statement. It is really the only official statement made by anyone at the university to this point, so there is no doubt Leath had plenty of input into it. To me, the fail lies completely with the president and the BOR.

The two problems I have with JP is why was David Irving allowed back on the football team before his assault charges were dropped, while BuBu was not. Also why did he feel he had to make any statement about the judge's decision at all? Leathe didn't make a statement. If Leathe told JP to make the statement (which itself would show very poor leadership), why didn't he just say they didn't agree with the decision but would respect it? Why say he was disappointed BuBu was being re-instated and basically tell the court to stay out of our business. It was a very arrogant and poorly thought out statement that only served to create more of a divide between the administration and the basketball players, and very likely Fred himself.

 

[RustShack]

I'm not really sure why its a danger to other students if he's on the team but it's not a danger if he's only attending the school. Kinda adds fuel to girls just trying to set up athletes...

But I'll stay out of it. I've already been banned twice sticking up for Bubu.

 

[CYKOFAN]

I've talked to some staff members and they say Bubu did do something. I had the same arguments as you guys did about him not getting proven of having any wrongdoing but they said they are 100% sure he did something. They didn't say anything else when I pressed them about it. I just feel something is being hidden that the fans might never know about with this.

These "unnamed" staff members know BuBu did "something" but they won't tell you what it was? And this "something" wasn't presented to the county attorney's office of ALJ? Sorry, if they won't even tell you what it was, it could be nothing more than Leathe defenders trying to use the old "you don't know all the facts" excuse to cover for him.

 

[LutherBlue]

And you do? I thought this too and was giving Leathe the benefit of the doubt until a lot of information about this case came out in the last few weeks that answered the questions I had. I'm no longer buying the old "there are things you don't know" excuse to justify the injustice done to BuBu and the extreme bungling of this case by Leathe.

Some of us aren't willing to conclude that any injustice was done until we've seen the evidence (and we never will). I don't understand why so many people who do not know all the factual evidence and who are unfamiliar with the behavioral standards and applicable procedures feel compelled not only to voice their disagreement with Leath's decision, but call someone incompetent. Where do you get off?

To me it's reasonable to question the timing of the decision and the sanction that was imposed. But good grief, how do you get to "he's incompetent!" without a lot more information?

 

[klamath632]

Re: Register Exclusive: ISU asks Supreme Court to keep Palo off men's basketball team

The violation is the non-consensual part. To this point, Palo's lawyers have not directly challenged Leath's finding on this point.

Uh.... what? Palo has challenged the ruling every step of the way. He appealed Leath's decision to the BoR. When the BoR rubber-stamped the ruling, he appealed to the District Court. Wtf are you talking about?

 

[CYKOFAN]

I'm not sure exactly what you are asking, but it doesn't say that avoiding the appearance of favoring athletes was the reason for the sanction. It says that staying the sanction would give the appearance of favoring athletes.

How does the administration explain allowing Irving back on the football team before his assault charges were dropped, while BuBu wasn't allowed back until after his charges were dropped? And the Irving decision was after BuBu's. Makes completely hypocritical any claim the administrion wants to make in BuBu's case that they didn't want to appear that they treated athletes differently from other students.

 

[Cyclonestate78]

I was under the impression that the ruling in Bubu's case that Leath made his decision on what is similar to that of a civil trial. The preponderance of evidence. Which basically comes down to who do you believe more based on the circumstantial evidence. If Leath believed something happened that night that violated the code of conduct, that is all he needs to make the decision he did.

If you also look at the code when it speaks of "seriousness of infractions" you see the final point listed...

4.1.4 Seriousness of Infractions

1. A violation of any provision of the conduct regulations will be regarded as more serious if:
   1. The conduct involves threatened or actual physical injury to another person, or endangers other persons;
   2. The conduct is willful or intentional;
   3. The conduct results in, contributes to or enhances the severity of a public disorder, group violence or a mass disturbance that involves conduct in violation of Section 4.2.10;
   4. The conduct involves interference with safety officials (police, fire and emergency medical responders) in the performance of their work;
   5. The conduct involves the use of drugs, alcohol or medicine to incapacitate a student's ability to give consent to participate in an activity;
   6. The same or similar conduct is repeated; or
   7. The conduct impairs other students' abilities to continue their education.

This leads me to ask the question... Did the alleged victim leave Iowa State University because of this incident and a fear of running into Bubu on campus? I don't know any details about her. Allegedly she no longer lives in the state of Iowa. Did she graduate? Did she transfer to another school?

Also in Bubu's situation a case could be made that it also hits on points 1, 2, and 5 as well.

 

[jbhtexas]

Re: Register Exclusive: ISU asks Supreme Court to keep Palo off men's basketball team

Uh.... what? Palo has challenged the ruling every step of the way. He appealed Leath's decision to the BoR. When the BoR rubber-stamped the ruling, he appealed to the District Court. Wtf are you talking about?

It's pretty simple. Palo's lawyers have not presented any evidence directly showing that Leath used improper application of the law or finding of fact not supported by the record in reaching his decision that non-consensual sex occurred. At least it is not apparent in any of the public court records available. They may do so at some further point in the appeal, but they haven't so far. Their only "evidence" against Leath's ruling to this point is that the ALJ's ruling was different, and that the rape charge was dropped by the DA.

 

[CYKOFAN]

^^^^Guess I should have refreshed the page first.



You've been doing this the entire thread.

LEATH

My mistake. Actually I was spelling it Leath in some other threads earlier in the week, but I saw it spelled Leathe by somebody so I thought I had it wrong. I had it right the first time.

 

[CYKOFAN]

Some of us aren't willing to conclude that any injustice was done until we've seen the evidence (and we never will). I don't understand why so many people who do not know all the factual evidence and who are unfamiliar with the behavioral standards and applicable procedures feel compelled not only to voice their disagreement with Leath's decision, but call someone incompetent. Where do you get off?

To me it's reasonable to question the timing of the decision and the sanction that was imposed. But good grief, how do you get to "he's incompetent!" without a lot more information?

I can play that game too. I'd heard from somebody in Ames that imo knows about the situation that BuBu is the much bigger victim in all of this, but I can't tell you the details. As the facts have been coming out I believe what I heard has been vindicated. Believe what you want.

 

[kingcy]

Appointment by the governor and approval by the State Senate, I believe.

You have to be somebody in the state, be well connected and give lots of money to politicians.

 

[aeroclone]

The two problems I have with JP is why was David Irving allowed back on the football team before his assault charges were dropped, while BuBu was not. Also why did he feel he had to make any statement about the judge's decision at all? Leathe didn't make a statement. If Leathe told JP to make the statement (which itself would show very poor leadership), why didn't he just say they didn't agree with the decision but would respect it? Why say he was disappointed BuBu was being re-instated and basically tell the court to stay out of our business. It was a very arrogant and poorly thought out statement that only served to create more of a divide between the administration and the basketball players, and very likely Fred himself.

The difference between this and the Irving situation is an interesting question, and I agree that the statement wasn't the perfect PR move, but I hardly see either of those as reason to try to run off a very successful and well liked AD. This mess was made above JP's pay grade, he is just dealing with the cleanup.