Bubu Thread

[CYKOFAN]

Re: Register Exclusive: ISU asks Supreme Court to keep Palo off men's basketball team

Being cleared (or not charged) with ANY CRIME is in no way worse than being convicted of armed robbery.

That shouldn't have to be explained, but to some I guess it still does. Especially hard to believe in light of the overwhelming evidence that the girl lied and tried to fabricate evidence.

 

[ImJustKCClone]

Re: Register Exclusive: ISU asks Supreme Court to keep Palo off men's basketball team

ARE YOU FREAKIN' KIDDING ME?????

How bloody petty can this administration get?

My comment stands, as I consider the BOR to be another step up on the ladder in the Regents University system.

 

[IAStubborn]

Re: Register Exclusive: ISU asks Supreme Court to keep Palo off men's basketball team

I don't think I'll ever understand this. I'm not siding one way or another because honestly, I don't really care. But I thought it was always considered a priveledge, not a right to play on a squad. Can't you be removed for any reason, as long as your scholarship to school is still honored? He wasn't kicked out of school, right?

Correct and that is there argument. However since he was removed as an act of*dicipline and student dicipline requires due process, that due process calls for BoR as the final arbitor and Iowa code requires option of judicial review of any declatory ruling by any state agency hence the court's become final arbiters of student dicipline. If they would have just kicked him off for no reason it would be ok. But they did it as an act of dicipline and that is reviewable.

 

[Bewilderme]

Re: Register Exclusive: ISU asks Supreme Court to keep Palo off men's basketball team

All I can say at this point is: Siiggh​hhhhhhh

 

[Amesboy]

Re: Register Exclusive: ISU asks Supreme Court to keep Palo off men's basketball team

Something that the university didn't tell the court?

Again this appeal to the Supreme Court is coming from the BOR not the University. If there was any information the University had it would of been submitted to the district judge via Bubu's attorney's (or should have), if the University was holding back information it could come back and bite them big time in the *** if the Supreme Court gathers any additional information that wasn't submitted.

 

[clonedude]

Re: Register Exclusive: ISU asks Supreme Court to keep Palo off men's basketball team

Technically no, it isn't. But, it also would be naive to think that this was not done with ISU's blessing and input. I still think the "Special Assistant" Iowa Attorney General is the one pulling all of the strings here though, which seems strange.

Yeah, technically no, but yes they do support it fully. That much is obvious.

 

[CYKOFAN]

Re: Register Exclusive: ISU asks Supreme Court to keep Palo off men's basketball team

I can see his point. How many good basketball coaches have we had in the last 20 years? 4. How many good football coaches? 1......maybe. From a replacement perspective, I'd rather have to replace a good basketball coach than a good football coach. Of course one would have to say Rhoads is a good coach.

As for those who say we won't lose Hoiberg over this, I didn't say he would leave because of this but he's obviously been overruled on this thing and if he feels he doesn't have control of the program, he may be inclined to accept that next NBA offer.

How many good basketball coaches did we get to interview after the GMac mess, and how many do you think we will get to interview if Fred leaves because he has a president and a.d. that won't support his athletes? Fences need to be mended and soon, if it's even possible now. This appears to have spun out of control.

 

[IAStubborn]

Re: Register Exclusive: ISU asks Supreme Court to keep Palo off men's basketball team

It's one thing for a player to look bad, but even worse for a university to look bad. Yep, you can be kicked off. And you as a player can take the university for court. And the university can look really stupid if they lose. And even more stupid if they take it to a higher court.

That's the deal. A university has every right to dicipline students but it also must act fairly in doing so. They did not and should be embarrassed. Why they don't understand it isn't about their right to discipline but rather their responsibility to do so judiciously is beyond me.

 

[SpokaneCY]

Re: Register Exclusive: ISU asks Supreme Court to keep Palo off men's basketball team

You really think CPR and the other coaches aren't sick about this? This mess will affect all ISU athletics. And if Fred leaves, who will take the job? ISU basketball will return to GMac days or worse if possible, and gut the whole athletic department. I wouldn't look for CPR to stick around with an administration that won't back their innocent athletes, even when the court orders them back on the field. You really would rather have Pollard instead of Fred? Are your initials JP?

Good god.

 

[cyatheart]

Re: Register Exclusive: ISU asks Supreme Court to keep Palo off men's basketball team

We will lose Pollard if that's the case.

Why would we lose pollard?

 

[chuckd4735]

Re: Register Exclusive: ISU asks Supreme Court to keep Palo off men's basketball team

If you don't think Pollard and Leath have a hand in this you're fooling yourself. The only reason the BoR name is on this is because, as a State of Iowa Board appointed by the legislator, they can seek council from the AG and not have to pay for it. I don't believe Iowa State University has that luxury.

Never the less, it will probably be a month before the Supreme Court considers the case and another month before they reach a decision if they decide to go forward. By that time, ISU's season will probably be over.

 

[cyatheart]

Re: Register Exclusive: ISU asks Supreme Court to keep Palo off men's basketball team

The ignorance in this thread is amazing.

Please enlighten us.

 

[Die4Cy]

Re: Register Exclusive: ISU asks Supreme Court to keep Palo off men's basketball team

He's invited BuBu back to practice so I'd say that's making him part of the team, in spite of the obvious objection of Leath and JP who are obviously trying to tell him how to run his team. I didn't think Fred would leave for awhile, but now I don't know. Leathe and JP have turned his dream job into an ongoing nightmare that keeps getting worse. And this is being done to one of our favorite ISU sons by a couple of guys that have no allegiance to ISU except their big pay checks. Sickening.

Actually, a judge put him back at practice. It is possible CFH wanted nothing to do with Bubu's return.

 

[clonedude]

Re: Register Exclusive: ISU asks Supreme Court to keep Palo off men's basketball team

If you don't think Pollard and Leath have a hand in this you're fooling yourself. The only reason the BoR name is on this is because, as a State of Iowa Board appointed by the legislator, they can seek council from the AG and not have to pay for it. I don't believe Iowa State University has that luxury.

Never the less, it will probably be a month before the Supreme Court considers the case and another month before they reach a decision if they decide to go forward. By that time, ISU's season will probably be over.

In the meantime, I hope Fred plays Bubu and he just goes off. That would be SWEET!!!

 

[IlliniCy]

Re: Register Exclusive: ISU asks Supreme Court to keep Palo off men's basketball team

How many good basketball coaches did we get to interview after the GMac mess, and how many do you think we will get to interview if Fred leaves because he has a president and a.d. that won't support his athletes? Fences need to be mended and soon, if it's even possible now. This appears to have spun out of control.

I would argue that the Iowa State coaches should be behind this move. If a court can overrule the university and/or the BOR, then they can sure as heck overrule a coach's decision too.

 

[jsb]

Re: Register Exclusive: ISU asks Supreme Court to keep Palo off men's basketball team

When it comes to sexual assault you have to be more careful than most other crimes

I suppose. But we all realize that there is no proof that a crime was committed, right? It was investigated and charges were dropped.

 

[PlanoClone]

Re: Register Exclusive: ISU asks Supreme Court to keep Palo off men's basketball team

From the article:

“It damages the public interest when a student is allowed to violate the student code of conduct, particularly the sexual misconduct policy, without being responsible for their actions and having to accept consequences. The is also harm to the entire university community when athletes are treated differently than other students.â€￾

Soooo, why the hell would they still keep him on scholarship AND allow him to stay enrolled if what he did was such a terrible egregious act (that the law determined wasn't prosecutable)? I'm slow and I guess this is still the million dollar question to me. If he violated the policy, he gone. Period. If not, everything should be back to normal. Yes?

 

[cyatheart]

Re: Register Exclusive: ISU asks Supreme Court to keep Palo off men's basketball team

Somebody knows what is going on here. Clearly someone or something really really doesn't want bubu playing basketball. Really amazing no one knows what the hell is going on here.

 

[acoustimac]

Re: Register Exclusive: ISU asks Supreme Court to keep Palo off men's basketball team

Just FYI, AG Tom Miller doesn't take a case up the ladder unless there is merit behind it. THe ALJ may have stepped in it on this one.

Not always true. A few years back he took another case to court for ISU. They lost big time. Cost the State dearly. Another case of the university president stepping in where he shouldn't have.

 

[IAStubborn]

Re: Register Exclusive: ISU asks Supreme Court to keep Palo off men's basketball team

Iowa Supreme court decisions arent going to have much effect outside state lines.

Could effect right of judicial review of executive power. I doubt courts will give up this power granted to them by the Iowa legislature at the request of the executive branch.