I was at my seat in the game when I get the notification on my phone from ESPN and BleacherReport.
Bubu Thread
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I was at my seat in the game when I get the notification on my phone from ESPN and BleacherReport.
You might have point if Leath had just got his Ph.D. yesterday. One of the jobs of the university president is to rule on appeals in violations of university conduct codes. Since he was offered the job, he was apparently deemed capable of this task.
I don't know anything about the ALJ.
I feel like this is a very minor issue on who you hire as a President of your university. I think he is competent like most people just that someone whose whole job is to deal with these types of things is more qualified.
It's doubtful that ruling on appeals cases was at the forefront of the selection committee agenda when they were interviewing candidates. It's a rather insignificant portion of a University President's job duties. Perhaps the selection committee felt Leath had a political skill set good enough to offset deficiencies in other areas.
Why do you assume that an administrative law judge knows nothing about how to sift through evidence witnesses and determine credibility?
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I just absolutely don't understand the Iowa Supreme Court. So we all have a right to be on a college basketball team? The universities no longer get to decide who is on their teams? It is completely nuts.
I just absolutely don't understand the Iowa Supreme Court. So we all have a right to be on a college basketball team? The universities no longer get to decide who is on their teams? It is completely nuts.
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An athletic department can dismiss a player or a University can deem a player ineligible through their student code process. However, if a judge when a motion is presented to him/her decides that there were irregularities in following their own process, they may reinstate a player until the issue can be decided finally.
I'm not sure how REinstating a player to a team equals we all have the right to be on a college BB team. It's not like he pulled a name out of a hat and placed a random student on the team.
An athletic department can dismiss a player or a University can deem a player ineligible through their student code process. However, if a judge when a motion is presented to him/her decides that there were irregularities in following their own process, they may reinstate a player until the issue can be decided finally.
I'm not sure how REinstating a player to a team equals we all have the right to be on a college BB team. It's not like he pulled a name out of a hat and placed a random student on the team.
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Here's what I don't get. Many posters here seem to think that Hoiberg's feeling should have been paramount in Leath's decision in this case, facts be damned.
that's a horrible position to take I just don't get it. Do people REALLY want ISU to be a school where the academic administration's primary goal is to please the football or basketball coach? Really?
Here's what I don't get. Many posters here seem to think that Hoiberg's feeling should have been paramount in Leath's decision in this case, facts be damned.
that's a horrible position to take I just don't get it. Do people REALLY want ISU to be a school where the academic administration's primary goal is to please the football or basketball coach? Really?
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I really think the whole thing with driving Fred away has been overblown by some posters, but there is a lot of green between turning a blind eye to please the coach and dragging out the process. So the coach turns away a recruit only to end up a scholarship player short because it took 3 months to make a decision on an appeal. While not the end of the world, that isn't exactly supporting the coach's efforts to field the best possible team. Fred seemed pretty clearly perturbed when that all went down.
I really think the whole thing with driving Fred away has been overblown by some posters, but there is a lot of green between turning a blind eye to please the coach and dragging out the process. So the coach turns away a recruit only to end up a scholarship player short because it took 3 months to make a decision on an appeal. While not the end of the world, that isn't exactly supporting the coach's efforts to field the best possible team. Fred seemed pretty clearly perturbed when that all went down.
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Huh. So basically it boils down to this.
Bubu was a walk-on, played sparingly but decent, and so CFH being the decent man he is offers the young man a scholly.
Kid gets mixed up in some very poor decision making (wrong crowd, alcohol, yada yada) and puts egg on CFH's face.
CFH, meanwhile gives Amardi an offer thinking that Bubu is gone and he's got a slot to fill.
Bubu's case gets tossed (right or wrong, I don't care) and so does Amardi. Puts egg on CFH's face again.
CFH allows Bubu back, practices with team, Cap City, etc...all is forgiven.
Leath F's it up, now we're down a spot. BOR backs up Leath.
Bubu sues, gets back on team due to litigation, JP and Leath not happy. Puts egg on CFH's face again having to deal with this a third time.
Yet you guys REALLY think he's going to see even minor minutes after all this? I don't care if Bubu is innocent as a spring breeze he's not worth the trouble at this point. Best for all parties to just cut their losses when it comes to making this a public spectacle and let the rest of us enjoy this basketball season.
Huh. So basically it boils down to this.
Bubu was a walk-on, played sparingly but decent, and so CFH being the decent man he is offers the young man a scholly.
Kid gets mixed up in some very poor decision making (wrong crowd, alcohol, yada yada) and puts egg on CFH's face.
CFH, meanwhile gives Amardi an offer thinking that Bubu is gone and he's got a slot to fill.
Bubu's case gets tossed (right or wrong, I don't care) and so does Amardi. Puts egg on CFH's face again.
CFH allows Bubu back, practices with team, Cap City, etc...all is forgiven.
Leath F's it up, now we're down a spot. BOR backs up Leath.
Bubu sues, gets back on team due to litigation, JP and Leath not happy. Puts egg on CFH's face again having to deal with this a third time.
Yet you guys REALLY think he's going to see even minor minutes after all this? I don't care if Bubu is innocent as a spring breeze he's not worth the trouble at this point. Best for all parties to just cut their losses when it comes to making this a public spectacle and let the rest of us enjoy this basketball season.
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No, Amardi's scholly was a completely different scholly. The only reason Amardi lost his scholarship was because Kane became available and interested. Amardi's situation and Bubu's have absolutely nothing to do with each other.
No, Amardi's scholly was a completely different scholly. The only reason Amardi lost his scholarship was because Kane became available and interested. Amardi's situation and Bubu's have absolutely nothing to do with each other.
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I disagree. If Bubu had been kicked off (and remained off) the team we'd have an open scholly. Yes, Kane was available and that immediately pushed Amardi out but why were we looking for a PG? Oh right, because Bubu was our only other option besides a freshman that could have gone either way. As it turns out Monte is a frickin stud out there so we still win. But to say Bubu had nothing to do with Amardi getting tossed is just turning a blind eye.
I disagree. If Bubu had been kicked off (and remained off) the team we'd have an open scholly. Yes, Kane was available and that immediately pushed Amardi out but why were we looking for a PG? Oh right, because Bubu was our only other option besides a freshman that could have gone either way. As it turns out Monte is a frickin stud out there so we still win. But to say Bubu had nothing to do with Amardi getting tossed is just turning a blind eye.
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You originally said "CFH, meanwhile gives Amardi an offer thinking that Bubu is gone and he's got a slot to fill." But Amardi was offered the scholarship when Bubu was on the team and in good standing and there was no reason to believe that would not continue to be the case.
You originally said "CFH, meanwhile gives Amardi an offer thinking that Bubu is gone and he's got a slot to fill." But Amardi was offered the scholarship when Bubu was on the team and in good standing and there was no reason to believe that would not continue to be the case.
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If the intent was ever to give Amardi Bubu's scholarship , it is odd we renewed it this summer and ended up with neither. Which is why Leath going Keystone Cop needlessly made Fred and the program collateral damage.
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We're splitting hairs here too...much like the lawyers in this neverending media circus. Let me clarify: Kane's scholly (who Amardi was quite literally moved out for) wouldn't have happened if Bubu was solid on the team and could perform at a top Big XII level. He's a bench player - not a starter.
I feel dirty for keeping a Bubu thread on the front page, so I'll leave it at that. I'm sure some will agree with me, and some will disagree. But at the end of the day, I wish it was time to head to Hilton instead of sitting at my PC reading about this cluster-f situation.
We're splitting hairs here too...much like the lawyers in this neverending media circus. Let me clarify: Kane's scholly (who Amardi was quite literally moved out for) wouldn't have happened if Bubu was solid on the team and could perform at a top Big XII level. He's a bench player - not a starter.
I feel dirty for keeping a Bubu thread on the front page, so I'll leave it at that. I'm sure some will agree with me, and some will disagree. But at the end of the day, I wish it was time to head to Hilton instead of sitting at my PC reading about this cluster-f situation.
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Yes, if Bubu was an all Big 12 quality player we wouldn't have brought in Kane and therefore would have been able to keep Amardi, but you originally said that Amardi was offered because Fred thought Bubu would be gone which frankly wasn't the case. In fact the timeline shows what you originally said doesn't make any sense, since Amardi was offered a week or so before Bubu was charged with sexual assault.
http://cyclonefanatic.com/forum/men...lass-2013-pf-richard-amardi-indian-hills.html
Iowa State Cyclones guard Bubu Palo charged with sexual abuse - ESPN
Yes, if Bubu was an all Big 12 quality player we wouldn't have brought in Kane and therefore would have been able to keep Amardi, but you originally said that Amardi was offered because Fred thought Bubu would be gone which frankly wasn't the case. In fact the timeline shows what you originally said doesn't make any sense, since Amardi was offered a week or so before Bubu was charged with sexual assault.
http://cyclonefanatic.com/forum/men...lass-2013-pf-richard-amardi-indian-hills.html
Iowa State Cyclones guard Bubu Palo charged with sexual abuse - ESPN
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It's so interesting how sprinkling in your personal opinions can make an otherwise accurate listing of facts become complete falsehoods, isn't it?
It's so interesting how sprinkling in your personal opinions can make an otherwise accurate listing of facts become complete falsehoods, isn't it?
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A District Court is on the process of reviewing a State schools process of dismissing a player from their basketball team, and the Iowa Attorney General has asked the Supreme Court to review if the District Court has the right to do that. I'm pretty sure the Supreme Court will be weighing in on this one...
A District Court is on the process of reviewing a State schools process of dismissing a player from their basketball team, and the Iowa Attorney General has asked the Supreme Court to review if the District Court has the right to do that. I'm pretty sure the Supreme Court will be weighing in on this one...
Re: More kindling for the Bubu dumpster fire...
I don't like this mess any more than anyone else. I also have no well-informed truthful facts or understanding of who's right and who's wrong on so many pieces of this ongoing case/situation. And, I certainly don't know who any people are behind their thread names, whether members of cyclone alley or not. All I do know is that I'm looking forward to going to today's game, want so badly for our team to get a win, and hope to see a typical Hilton atmosphere. Please, no "we want Bubu" chants. I don't know about anyone else, but I don't want this mess to be drug out into Hilton today. I get that the players support getting Bubu back. But, imo, its not fair to the TEAM, and our coach, to put any of that out there. The focus is on cheering on our team to a victory. Our coaches and team deserve that.
I don't like this mess any more than anyone else. I also have no well-informed truthful facts or understanding of who's right and who's wrong on so many pieces of this ongoing case/situation. And, I certainly don't know who any people are behind their thread names, whether members of cyclone alley or not. All I do know is that I'm looking forward to going to today's game, want so badly for our team to get a win, and hope to see a typical Hilton atmosphere. Please, no "we want Bubu" chants. I don't know about anyone else, but I don't want this mess to be drug out into Hilton today. I get that the players support getting Bubu back. But, imo, its not fair to the TEAM, and our coach, to put any of that out there. The focus is on cheering on our team to a victory. Our coaches and team deserve that.
