And personally, I believe if the court dropped the charges, it's not the universities job to remake a new case
Bubu Thread
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Yeah, real frickin tough. Go grab an elite college job or any open NBA job whenever you want. Fred's in control here. If he feels slighted by this and I bet he does, it will end badly. All of a sudden those jobs he wasn't interested in are interesting. The University went over his head with no justification for doing so.
Yeah, real frickin tough. Go grab an elite college job or any open NBA job whenever you want. Fred's in control here. If he feels slighted by this and I bet he does, it will end badly. All of a sudden those jobs he wasn't interested in are interesting. The University went over his head with no justification for doing so.
Exactly, and yet several posters are fine with putting blame and some shame on Bubu for "risky" behavior. Would this is even be an issue if Bubu was a woman or the accuser a man?
I don't disagree that he is equipped, I don't think he is best equipped. I would however put more weight into the ALJ ruling however. He is the only party to hear testimony. There is a reason people are not tried by transcripts. If he questioned the procedure or the findings (which he apparently did in 3 cases) he should have then questioned directly on those issues.
Additionally, if he did think he was guilty he should have been expelled.the academic argument is so outrageous and illogical it really is why this thing is such a head scratcher. If he is a rapist expel him. Who cares if he is a good student. If he were a poor student would you have expelled him? What if he was an excellent . basketball player? What difference does hisstudent aachievement case make in dicipline for.rape? How is giving scholars special treatment any different than giving athletes? We are embarrassed because Leath gave a middle ground punishment for an offense when no middle ground exists. Basketball ineligibility is not enough of a penalty for rape and trying to appease interests and look tough at the expense of a student is Unexeptable. He did one of those thing and both are inexucasble.
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It doesn't work that way in real life. Read the link above about burden of proof. The criminal court has to meet the "beyond a reasonable doubt" burden of proof, the strictest and toughest standard. The university and Title ?? require the much less stringent "preponderance of evidence". It is quite possible and quite common for evidence to meet the latter standard and not the former standard.
If the evidence met the "preponderance of evidence" standard and Leath ruled otherwise simply because the DA dropped the criminal charges, he would immediately open up the university to legal action from the US Department of Education and the Complaintant who appealed to him.
JBH, up until last fall I was quite satisfied with how everything was handled, by the university, and by Bubu and CFH. I began to question when the abrupt "Bubu is off the team" announcement was made at the beginning of the semester.
We have the information that has been made public regarding the criminal charges (and the impetus behind dropping them).
We know that an ALJ reviewed the conduct charges, including reading through the documents and (iirc) questioning the witnesses, and determined that the charges were unfounded.
We have been told that the appeal was made in late May, early June but took our President over two months to issue a decision, despite apparently not needing to re-interview witnesses, and in fact took so long that transfer options for Bubu were likely non-existent by the time he made his decision.
Each step farther into the process has only succeeded in making the University administration and BoR look increasingly petty and vindictive.
We have the information that has been made public regarding the criminal charges (and the impetus behind dropping them).
We know that an ALJ reviewed the conduct charges, including reading through the documents and (iirc) questioning the witnesses, and determined that the charges were unfounded.
We have been told that the appeal was made in late May, early June but took our President over two months to issue a decision, despite apparently not needing to re-interview witnesses, and in fact took so long that transfer options for Bubu were likely non-existent by the time he made his decision.
Each step farther into the process has only succeeded in making the University administration and BoR look increasingly petty and vindictive.
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It also isn't recognized that Leath didn't announce Bubu was off the team until kickoff of the football game to distract the fans.
Personally, I think Leath was forced to get him out or would be sued by the judicial affairs board or whatever, which had an attorney on the victims side, so of course they wanted Bubu gone
Personally, I think Leath was forced to get him out or would be sued by the judicial affairs board or whatever, which had an attorney on the victims side, so of course they wanted Bubu gone
What physical evidence could Leath have that the county attorney of ALJ didn't have? He didn't even actually talk to the parties, and he would be taking the testimony of a woman who lied to the county attorney and tried to falsify evidence over a student who was all academic all big 12 and never commited a crime? Don't think Leath had much to fear from the Dept of Education, and sounds like another excuse to me.
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Hoiberg can be ******, maybe, but not slighted. He's not dumb; he knows this has nothing to do with him.
Hoiberg can be ******, maybe, but not slighted. He's not dumb; he knows this has nothing to do with him.
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Of course he knows it has nothing to do with him, but that doesn't mean he has to like it. And that doesn't mean that suddenly the job you have (which you love, but you know that the NBA is where you want to be) is suddenly less attractive.
THAT'S my concern. Hoiberg can have any job he wants. I think that is kind of almost literally true. We don't need administrators that tick him off.
Of course he knows it has nothing to do with him, but that doesn't mean he has to like it. And that doesn't mean that suddenly the job you have (which you love, but you know that the NBA is where you want to be) is suddenly less attractive.
THAT'S my concern. Hoiberg can have any job he wants. I think that is kind of almost literally true. We don't need administrators that tick him off.
IIRC, it was announced before the UNI game, but still weird that it was announced on a Saturday.
1) Why do you assume the ALJ made the right decision and Leath made the wrong one?
2) Do you know what testimony was given? If not, how can you judge whether Leath or the ALJ made the correct decision?
The training involved in the route to a judge's position vs the training involved in the route to a PhD in plant path, perhaps? Not that I have anything against plant path, but I think we can agree that a judge probably has a stronger backround in legal matters?
I was wrong, it isn't title nine that requires automatic appeal just ISU policy. Here is an article about how the preponderance standard came down and a situation at North Dakota eerily similar. Argues this is bad policy.The Politics of Campus Sexual Assault | RealClearPolitics
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His administration has tried numerous times to remove a player he reinstated from the team. I will gaurantee you he feels like he has less control over his team than before.
His administration has tried numerous times to remove a player he reinstated from the team. I will gaurantee you he feels like he has less control over his team than before.
As i recall it was almost right before the game... as people wouldve been heading in\at tailgates. Definitely odd timing.
Saturday is the perfect time actually. Then it won't be a big news story. Too many other things going on so all it gets is a two sentence blurb on espn and no one other then isu fans either notice or care.
