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NoCreativity

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They were only 4 point underdogs last night. Advanced stats love them

I don't know how they went from an NIT resume last year to the exact same resume this year and a 6 seed. Last year they even beat Gonzaga which is something they couldnt do in 3 games this year.
 

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Can someone explain to me how Saint Mary's RPI is 19 and they're a lock for the tourney? They haven't played ****, have one of the worst non-conference schedules I have ever seen, and the one team they've played with a pulse this year they get pounded every time. I don't get it? I also don't get how Nevada's RPI is 34 and UT Arlington's is 40? WTF? RPI may be the worst rating ever and it is heavily used by the committee....

Despite what you think of St. Mary's non-con, it is ranked 43rd for non-con SOS. Iowa State's is 121st. They game the system by limiting the terrible teams they play in the non-con. Once they have a solid non-con RPI they roll up wins on easy teams and the RPI isn't going to drop for winning lots of games.

What I don't get is why they are ranked. You can trick the computers, you shouldn't be able to trick writers that cover the game. Yet they do.
 
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I don't know how they went from an NIT resume last year to the exact same resume this year and a 6 seed. Last year they even beat Gonzaga which is something they couldnt do in 3 games this year.

Top 25 in both AdjD and AdjO
 

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Despite what you think of St. Mary's non-con, it is ranked 43rd for non-con SOS. Iowa State's is 121st. They game the system by limiting the terrible teams they play in the non-con. Once they have a solid non-con RPI they roll up wins on easy teams and the RPI isn't going to drop for winning lots of games.

What I don't get is why they are ranked. You can trick the computers, you shouldn't be able to trick writers that cover the game. Yet they do.
Go look at their non-conference schedule. It is is utter garbage. Iowa State played a lot better non-conference schedule than Saint Mary's.
 

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They don't and haven't played anyone worth a **** all year outside of Gonzaga and maybe Dayton. Yet they are a 6 seed and 19th in RPI? I just don't see it when I watch them play.

Agree, Ive seen them play Gonzaga twice this year and they are nowhere near the 6 seed line, maybe an 11 or PIG type of team.
 

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Agree, Ive seen them play Gonzaga twice this year and they are nowhere near the 6 seed line, maybe an 11 or PIG type of team.
Iowa State is projected around or at a 6 seed currently too and Iowa State would run Saint Mary's out of the gym.
 

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Bracketologists are using those metrics? If so that would make sense, I just dont get how they were in the NIT last year and now all of a sudden they are a 6 seed with 1 less loss.

They use KenPom and other metrics besides RPI so yes
 

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Another team that I think needs to be questioned is Wake Forest. They didnt beat anybody in the non-conf, beat up on all the bottom feeders of the ACC just to get to .500, and had 1 nice win the entire season over Louisville.

The ACC is getting way too much credit, especially with the unbalanced schedules.
 

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Despite what you think of St. Mary's non-con, it is ranked 43rd for non-con SOS. Iowa State's is 121st. They game the system by limiting the terrible teams they play in the non-con. Once they have a solid non-con RPI they roll up wins on easy teams and the RPI isn't going to drop for winning lots of games.

What I don't get is why they are ranked. You can trick the computers, you shouldn't be able to trick writers that cover the game. Yet they do.

Not sure why we don't do that. I'd rather play a bunch of 150-200 teams than the 300+ RPI teams, and the outcome should be the same, but with less of a hit to the RPI.
 

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Well yeah we're really really good
And Saint Mary's is nowhere close to that. In my opinion, Illinois State and Saint Mary's have similar resumes, one is a projected 6 seed the other is not getting in. Doesn't make sense.
 

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I don't know how they went from an NIT resume last year to the exact same resume this year and a 6 seed. Last year they even beat Gonzaga which is something they couldnt do in 3 games this year.

No bad losses this year. Only 1 loss to someone other than Gonzaga.

Last year they lost to Pepperdine (RPI 135) twice and racked up 17 wins vs teams 200 RPI or higher.

They beat 13 top 150 teams this year as opposed to last year when they beat 8.