The SEC is more brand balanced. Half of the league is blue bloods.
I do think eventually they will also do a similar thing. Texas and OU resented subsidizing us. Why wouldn’t they feel the same about Vanderbilt and Miss St?
Big 12 vs Big Ten Debate
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I do think eventually they will also do a similar thing. Texas and OU resented subsidizing us. Why wouldn’t they feel the same about Vanderbilt and Miss St?
Yeah but the SEC doesn't do it either. Alabama/Georgia/LSU not ruthlessly chasing their last possible dollar. If it's an outlier in the B1G, it's an outlier in the SEC. And those just happen to be the 2 biggest, wealthiest, strongest conferences in the country.
It’s really not though you just think that from years of the BCS BS.
Go back 10 years and the SEC only has 3 teams who have won the conference Georgia and Bama won 9 of those and LSU won 1 plus Texas won 1. Go back 13 years and you get Auburn for a total of 5.
If you do the same thing for the big ten there are 5 teams who have won a conference championship the last 10 years and if you go back 13 you get 6 teams.
It’s really not that much more balanced they just get ranked higher from ESPN and got to take advantage of the BCS system and bagmen.
Now that saban is gone it’s more balanced though I will give you that.
I just disagree. If Florida and Tennessee and Auburn are considered "bluebloods" then so is Nebraska. Florida has finished with a losing record three of the last four years, they've finished unranked 9 of the last 15 seasons. Auburn too has been mostly irrelevant for the last 15 years. I think the SEC is built very much the same... 3-4 elite top end teams, a comparable middle tier, and a crappy bottom tier.
Because there weren't other powerful schools to tell them no. Bama, LSU, Florida and Tennessee weren't sitting in the room.
Yes and No. They cannot all be good in the same year. The thing is though that since the start of the BCS Era (1998-Present), Alabama (6), Auburn (1), Florida (2), Georgia (2), LSU (3) and Tennessee (1) have ALL won a National Championship. Knock Tennessee and Auburn off the list, and they still have FOUR programs with two or more National Championships during this period. One goes up, one goes down. Every other conference is lucky to have two teams win a National Championship in the same time frame. If Ohio State or Michigan are down, nobody from the B1G jumps up to win the NC. Same for Oklahoma and Texas in the old Big XII and FSU and Clemson in the ACC. So, Alabama SUX this year, so some other team like LSU will jump up and challenge for NC in their stead along with a couple of others.
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Wouldn’t it also have to be voted on? From my understanding, the Big12 (and now ACC) voted to approve unequal rev share because they were worried the top brands would leave if they didn’t. I’m not sure the same threat exists in the BigTen so I don’t know why the majority would vote to approve something like that.
Yeah but the BCS era was the most ******** manipulated era in college football and we’re not there anymore. No more bagmen, no more allowing cam newton to play after FBI investigations, no more stacking the 3 deep with 5 stars thanks to church donations. And finally, and most importantly, no more saban.
The SEC hasn’t been deep or balanced for years and evey edge it had outside of local talent has been stripped away.
They had a hell of a run during the cheating years though I will say that but it’s pretty funny with everything above table and with a real playoff how quickly they have taken a step back
It'll come back to the table again once the SEC and B1G blue bloods eventually decide to merge into something new. Unequal shares will be the bargaining chip to hang around for a little while longer before going from P2 down to P1.
I get that, and I'm not downplaying that the SEC was far and away the best conference for many years. I'm just saying Florida hasn't won one since 2008. Auburn since 2010. Tennessee since 1998. It's been 15+ years since any of them other than Bama, Georgia, LSU has won.... 15-20+ years isn't nothing.
Since the CFP started, Alabama has three CFP Championships (2015, 2017 and 2020), Georgia has 2 CFP Championships (2021 and 2022) and LSU has 1 (2019).
Kudos to Ohio State (2014 and 2024) and Michigan (2023).
I agree that Auburn, Florida and Tennessee have all fallen off. Personally, I hope none of the three ever win an SEC Championship or a NC again!
Well, Auburn and Tennessee anyway. The Gators don't bug me too much.However, in the same time period, I'm still waiting for a 3rd B1G, ACC or Big XII program to jump up and win a NC. Could happen. Penn State or Oregon are good candidates in the B1G.
Totally get that thought process but just disagree and while you didn’t put a timeline on it (don’t want to put words in your mouth) but I don’t see it happening in the next decade
I have no idea how long it'll take, I'll be completely upfront about that. It could be 2 or 20 years from now. I don't see it being more complicated than just a simple equation that's balancing what TV value is with these teams versus those teams. There is a balance point that will eventually tip to blow it all up to make more money. Contracts exist on vibes and always have ways to get out, usually more money -- when it gets to that point, someone will pay for it.
There's no motivation whatsoever to stop all of this from eventually breaking off into a semi-pro football league of its own. None at all. It's all dollars and cents, and the dollars of Rutgers and Vanderbilt don't matter. That will come to roost someday.
I understand how easy it is to ignore these signs for fans that have never once in their lives had to actually go through any of this stuff. Completely ignored all of it since it was never a personal threat.
I get your logic and think it’s very fair. I’ve always been of the mindset that a small let’s say 20 team super league just will never happen due to the blue bloods not wanting to destroy their brands, the fact that some schools like Michigan won’t leave, and also that there really isn’t an incentive for this with the expanded playoff. That’s not even counting the massive loss of interest.
However to your point I can see how it’s easy to look at those trends and having been effected by it multipule times and seeing that conclusion
I tend to think it's better to be prepared than to assume bad things can never happen. Next B1G media deal is, what, 2030? That means we're talking about future changes 3 seasons from now or so. Other meltdowns were a year or two forward-looking.
It's pretty hard for me to look back on the last 20 years of realignment, relegation and total loss of oversight and not carry the feeling that the entire system is quietly being held hostage. It's quickly running out of more ways to consolidate.
If at any time Big Ten teams are getting even 10% more annually Texas will start sniffing around, if somehow Big Ten teams get 20-25% more Texas to B10 is inevitable.
If the SEC stays top dollar, Texas trying to get unequal share is inevitable.
Ummm…the SEC has never been top dollar, big ten already is making more, about 20% actually.
Sooooo….
