Big 12 Spring Meetings Summary

[BCClone]

So then you're saying that the Big12 was wrong to add Houston.

NCAA attendance #'s for the 2021/22 year aren't out yet. But excluding the Covid year, the Aztecs had higher attendance than Houston for the big 3 sports: FB, MBB and WBB for the 2018/19 & 2019/20 seasons.

• SDSU: 43,271 (FB averaged 30,617)
• Houston: 35,375 (FB averaged 27,638)

I agree that UNLV is a stretch, but still think they are a better fit that Washington State or Oregon State.

If SDSU was located in Texas, then your inference on my post would be right. Last I knew SDSU was not located in Texas. Also, WBB has 0 play in how teams athletic departments are looked at.

It’s good that SDSU averaged 110% of their stadium capacity.

 

[BCClone]

So then you're saying that the Big12 was wrong to add Houston.

NCAA attendance #'s for the 2021/22 year aren't out yet. But excluding the Covid year, the Aztecs had higher attendance than Houston for the big 3 sports: FB, MBB and WBB for the 2018/19 & 2019/20 seasons.

• SDSU: 43,271 (FB averaged 30,617)
• Houston: 35,375 (FB averaged 27,638)

I agree that UNLV is a stretch, but still think they are a better fit that Washington State or Oregon State.

SDSU didn’t have a single home game break 14k in attendance for last year.

 

[CycloneDaddy]

SDSU didn’t have a single home game break 14k in attendance for last year.

I dont think they actually played a real home game as they are building a new stadium. Not sure where they played but think its nowhere close to campus.

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

Not a fan of adding any combination of Oregon St, Washington St, San Diego State or UNLV.

If the Pac 12 implodes, then go after CU, Utah, and the Arizona schools. The league is betting that Houston and UCF will grow with the added money they are going to receive and are no longer commuter schools. We shall all see if that is the case.

 

[HawaiiClone]

Not sure I would want to see Oregon State or Wash State in the Big12. IMO they are MWC schools & geographically not a great fit. I would take SDSU & UNLV over them.

I would be all over CU, Utah, Arizona & Arizona State as Big12 members.

I don't know about UNLV. Up until this point their fan base hasn't been big enough. They haven't had teams that compete at the top of the MWC, but sometimes it's a chicken and egg thing where how do you get better if you don't have enough loyal fans who support the program more financially.

 

[CascadeClone]

You don't want to add teams like Temple that would add 0 value and all they do is divide your pie even more.

Oh, i am not arguing Temple is a great add, but you could probably argue the 4 mountain schools could be dilutive too.

Just saying that having a 16 or 20 or 24 team league could be a differentiator, make the Big12 "unignoreable".

 

[cykadelic2]

Oh, i am not arguing Temple is a great add, but you could probably argue the 4 mountain schools could be dilutive too.

Just saying that having a 16 or 20 or 24 team league could be a differentiator, make the Big12 "unignoreable".

Trying to be "unignoreable" is about as silly rationale for expansion as it gets.

Being affiliated with UH, UCF and UC is nauseating enough, adding more G5 schools to whatever conference ISU is in is even more sickening.

 

[CYCLNST8]

Trying to be "unignoreable" is about as silly rationale for expansion as it gets.

Being affiliated with UH, UCF and UC is nauseating enough, adding more G5 schools to whatever conference ISU is in is even more sickening.

Those commuter schools have recent NY6 trophies and a CFP appearance. No upside there...

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

West coast people don’t care about UCLA or the like. Look at their attendance. What makes anyone think SDSU or UNLV will be any different? Adding those schools makes zero sense.

UNLV's fan support is absolutely awful.

 

[JM4CY]

You don't want to add teams like Temple that would add 0 value and all they do is divide your pie even more.

I already have an Owl on my deck that supposed to keep birds away but it’s completely ineffective and one of them is even had the balls to sh*t

 

[JM4CY]

I already have an Owl on my deck that supposed to keep birds away but it’s completely ineffective and one of them is even had the balls to sh*t

Surly dumbed this. Must of been a pretty solid post. Thanks Surly!

 

[RezClone]

Surly dumbed this. Must of been a pretty solid post. Thanks Surly!

Kick KSU out and add WSU Immediately. Better Ag school and better school colors anyway.

 

[surly]

I have long believed that a P12/B12 alliance makes sense for both leagues bringing the P12 Network to the plains states, increasing exposure, and providing the B12 with its own network platform.

Alternatively, the two Arizona schools would be the best fit to expand the B12. That doesn't happen though without the P12 cratering around the departure of USC and perhaps Oregon and/or Washington to the B10.

 

[JM4CY]

I have long believed that a P12/B12 alliance makes sense for both leagues bringing the P12 Network to the plains states, increasing exposure, and providing the B12 with its own network platform.

Alternatively, the two Arizona schools would be the best fit to expand the B12. That doesn't happen though without the P12 cratering around the departure of USC and perhaps Oregon and/or Washington to the B10.

I have long believed you’re a pompous ass who contrives random parts that don’t make a whole in most of your posts.

 

[surly]

Newcomers not getting full shares.

When BYU, Central Florida, Cincinnati and Houston arrive — currently projected for the 2023 football season — they’ll receive Big 12 revenue on a graduated incremental basis. When the Big 12 added TCU and West Virginia, those schools received a 50 percent revenue share in 2012-13, 67 percent in 2013-14, 85 percent in 2014-15 and 100 percent in 2015-16. Bowlsby said when the three American Athletic Conference schools make it official, he expects a similar graduated scale. fannation

 

[1UNI2ISU]

I dont think they actually played a real home game as they are building a new stadium. Not sure where they played but think its nowhere close to campus.

Correct. They're playing in a soccer stadium in Carson that is like 2 hours from campus while the new one is being built.

 

[cysmiley]

Was KU bball awarded the inspiration or innovation award for paving the way for NIL?

Wasn't this done to protect Self's reputation since he is coach for life?

 

[cykadelic2]

I have long believed that a P12/B12 alliance makes sense for both leagues bringing the P12 Network to the plains states, increasing exposure, and providing the B12 with its own network platform.

Alternatively, the two Arizona schools would be the best fit to expand the B12. That doesn't happen though without the P12 cratering around the departure of USC and perhaps Oregon and/or Washington to the B10.

If the P12 insists on keeping FB inventory on PACN, they are hosed. As a standalone network, PACN has zero negotiating leverage with linear networks including YTTV and Hulu. They have to move all FB inventory off of PACN whether it be to a streamer or a linear network. B12 schools will have zero interest in buying PACN equity as a condition to either join or align with the P12.

 

[surly]

If the P12 insists on keeping FB inventory on PACN, they are hosed. As a standalone network, PACN has zero negotiating leverage with linear networks including YTTV and Hulu. They have to move all FB inventory off of PACN whether it be to a streamer or a linear network. B12 schools will have zero interest in buying PACN equity as a condition to either join or align with the P12.

You write like you know a lot more about the technical side of this than me, which, granted, wouldn't have to be much. I'm just commenting on the common sense of combining the leagues under one network umbrella.

If the fundamentals work, generally, these things come together in time, consolidation. The P12 seems to be struggling for many reasons. One wonders if they continue as-is while at the same time consistently and significantly trailing their peers on the revenue ledger.

 

[2speedy1]

If the P12 insists on keeping FB inventory on PACN, they are hosed. As a standalone network, PACN has zero negotiating leverage with linear networks including YTTV and Hulu. They have to move all FB inventory off of PACN whether it be to a streamer or a linear network. B12 schools will have zero interest in buying PACN equity as a condition to either join or align with the P12.

Who carries PACN anymore. Last I knew everyone was dropping it. Maybe some still have it regionally. But for sure its not available nationally on any streaming services, and I dont think the Sat companies have it available short of the top sports packs, as well as any cable nets outside those in the PAC region.

This is really bad for their product. They are not getting any of their sports broadcast anywhere outside their footprint.

Maybe I am wrong, does anyone have it? Outside the Pac 12 footprint that is? If so where? If you have it inside the footprint what carrier?

Edit: I did some research, It appears in this area, and probably anywhere outside the Pac footprint the only way to get it is via an upgraded Dish network package, Vidgo streaming package, or Fubo. Those appear to be the only services outside local cable services inside the Pac 12 footprint.