Doesn't come with my cable package here in Honolulu while SEC Network does. I'd have to upgrade to get it.
Big 12 Spring Meetings Summary
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Can I just say I'm jealous of your location...
I can honestly say that I enjoy all 4 seasons, especially as mild as our winter have been.
I could do with 3 seasons, spring, summer, fall. I hate winter. 20+ years of working in all weather conditions no matter what has had that effect on me.
I would move out of Iowa, for a more temperate local, but my wife wants to stay relatively close to family. So I make the best of it and get my season tix etc.
That sounds harsh. I can definitely see why you would want to live in a moderate climate.
I agree that aggregating P12/B12 inventory in some fashion for bidding makes a lot of sense on several counts. My preference from the B12 side would be B12 dissolution and have the R8 (minus WV) + BYU be added without WV and the AAC newbies. That 20 school model could include the old P10 and a new 10 team conference with UU & CU or two divisions.
Once the B10 deal is completed (probably sometime this month), the P12 is next in line and they will initially attempt to negotiate new deals with their existing 12 schools (Plan A). If the Plan A numbers don't look good (especially for USC), I think Plan B will be 4 or 8 school expansion from the B12. 4 schools would mean those 4 departing schools pay $80M each in exit fees. 8 schools would be mean B12 dissolution with no exit fees.
How the B10 deal shakes out will have immense consequences for both the P12 and B12. If ABC/ESPN gets shut out, I would expect ESPN to make every attempt to lock up (and pay extra) the P12 to backfill the lost B10 inventory in advance of a new entrant like Amazon or Apple getting involved and that could be bad for the B12 if they don't team up with the P12 in some fashion IMO. Aggregating the inventory for open bidding to the incumbents (ESPN & Fox) and to new entrants maxes out payouts for both the P12 and R8 while increasing the odds that P12 retains USC.
It seems to me this is a supply/demand situation for networks, and it befuddles me as to what has materially changed over the decade to lower the demand side, as the supply side remains relatively static as it has long been in the P5, answer?
I had hoped for that too, before we added the new schools. Now I think that ship has sailed. I dont think we are going to dump the 4 new schools plus a couple after we just made a deal for them.
I could see us adding Pac schools especially if they start looking for greener pastures, and/or the B1G poaches a few. But I think we are stuck with the few we added.
The only other way that I could see this is if a group of Big 12 schools leave the Big 12, and join up with a group of Pac 12 schools. Which could be a possibility. But Right now the Big 12 is in a stronger position to add, than the Pac 12.
I think we are pushing toward the elimination of at least 1 Power conference if not 2 in the near future, before moving toward 2 power conferences.
-I could see this upcoming shift being the B1G and Big 12 absorb the Pac 12, bringing us to a P4.
-The next round the SEC, B1G, and Big 12 absorb the ACC, down to a P3.
-Finally, they decide how many actually works, and how they want it layed out and the B1G and SEC pick apart the Big 12 to get to 2 super conferences with control of all major teams. Thus dividing up divisions, pods or whatever they want. My feeling is they will each have 24-32 teams each at that point.
Probably a 10+ year process overall. It really just depends how unhappy the Pac 12 teams are with their situation right now, to spark the chaos again.
Rag on the commuter schools all you want; they probably have higher ceilings than the charter members as they are located in fertile recruiting grounds in football-crazy states. It wouldn't shock me at all to see them running the Big 12 table in the near future.
You have a point, but they don't bring the value that the major state schools do. They dont increase the viewership and numbers like the major state schools do. They just are not seen as valuable when it comes to dollars and media deals. Whether it is completely accurate or not, it is part of the issue with them.
When you think of Ohio, are fans tuning in to Cinci each week or OSU, my guess is on any given day they are wearing their OSU gear.
In Florida, are they watching UCF or tuning into UF.
In Texas...well Texas is a bit of a strange one, but overall, is Houston is not drawing in the views, compared to the non commuter schools and I can almost guarantee that these people are regularly wearing UT or A&M gear.
BYU has an advantage because of the large religious following.
These teams are good teams and yes could run the table in the Big 12 some day. The problem is they do not bring in the perception of value. So may drag down the payouts for the rest. Although this may be changing some. As some of these schools have started to do better in that department. But still schools like UNLV are way behind in that respect. Time will tell if the value of these schools is adequate or not.
That's true for now. Against the odds, UCF, Houston, & Cincinnati have been fighting their way into NY6 bowls, and we just gave these guys a place at the table. People will always tune in to watch a winner- whether they're rooting for or against them. Especially now that they're playing in a higher profile league.
As a conference, we will always be treated going forward as a second class citizen by the national media. Regardless of if it’s warranted some years or not, that does matter. Non-con games will be a big deal for us as a whole.
Wholeheartedly agree. Going forward, I think it’s vital to preserve and WIN as many rivalry games as possible:
Bedlam
Backyard Brawl
Holy War
CyHawk
For starters. Then hopefully matchups like The Border War, Governor’s Spurs, Telephone Trophy, Black Diamond, Keg of Nails…
Even with B12 membership, over half the grads from UC, UCF and UH will continue to watch their respective state flagship schools moreso than their own schools.
Nope. And I’d be pretty shocked to see the CyHawk continue after 2025, at least not an every year event
Fair point. But Cincy still has 28k students, UCF has 70k, and Houston 50k. Even if you cut those numbers in half to get a apples-to-apples with the rest of the Big12, there is a good pool of potentially interested alumni. And the totals compare decently, most of the Big12 is in the 20-30k range for students (outliers are Tech 40k and TCU 11k).
Also, look forward 10 or 20 years. Playing in a power conference will likely increase the percentage that is attached to their alma mater.
Not saying these are no brainer adds that should have been done years ago, but I do think they will look better down the road than they do right now.
Why do people keep saying this?? The "Alliance" has no real legs. You think the $EC is happy just to play with itself? Networks should have an interest in making sure inter-conference rivalries continue happening if they care at all about ratings.
Key word there is should. State legislators will have a say also.
