That actually a good debate.
Utah and Colorado versus Arizona and Arizona St.
I personally want to stick it to CU for leaving the Big 12. Accessing PHX and the alumni of the AZ schools in So Cal is very compelling IMO.
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That actually a good debate.
Utah and Colorado versus Arizona and Arizona St.
I personally want to stick it to CU for leaving the Big 12. Accessing PHX and the alumni of the AZ schools in So Cal is very compelling IMO.
I really don't know what you see in those schools, being in a Population center is not that big of a deal when no one follows you. There are several examples of that.
As far as being on an island, you mean like we are? Like WVU is? UCF is? BYU is? If we ended up adding Pac schools we would basically spread all over the entire country, there would be teams spread everywhere, as there is now.
While I can say out of all the Pac schools OSU and WSU would be close to the bottom of picks, but they would be light years ahead of UNLV and SDSU. If you have the option to take a current P5 school or bring up a G5 that is not even a choice, even thinking you would take a G5 school over a P5 doesnt even make sense. I could also see that there would be a package deal too, as a group of schools come. Again if/when all this does happen I am sure there will be a lot of politicking as to what school goes where.
Hell UNLV and SDSU arent even the top choices in the G5, not even close.
I agree I love seeing them fall on their face, but my nostalgic side would love having them back.
Colorado is one of those schools in a large population center with not a great fan following. Everyone there follows the Broncos, and for the size of the population has a very lackluster fanbase. Utah I believe has a much stronger fanbase.
According to what I read about the B1G and their byelaws they have to have schools in AAU and contiguous to their footprint. Without changing their byelaws, which they could, They could add Colorado, Arizona, USC, UCLA, Oregon, Wash. They would all be AAU and by adding them all they would maintain their linked footprint.
That would leave ASU, UU, Stan, Cal, OSU, WSU.
The writing would then be on the wall for the SEC to start eating the ACC.
They both are, and both could go the the B1G too, just would depend on how many schools the B1G wants.
Edit: so is Utah for that matter.
Football - Utah, gap, ASU, CU, AZ
MBB - AZ, massive gap, then the remaining schools are close to tied
Dominating the PHX market and getting into SoCal to me outweighs Boulder and Denver since to your point. CU fans are more diehard about pro sports.
If the B1G took AZ and CO. I wouldn't mind ASU and Utah as #13 and #14.
I have NOOO interest in Washington St and Oregon St. I'd rather add Memphis, USF, SDSU
I don't think the Big12 will want to stop at 14 schools. If USC, UCLA, Washington, Oregon, etc. decide to move on from the Pac12 and find a new home in the Big10 and/or SEC- then we could be headed toward 2 or 3 super conferences. If the Big12 is going to be one of those conferences, it would seem like more schools equates to more money. With linear networks, there is a limit to how much inventory a network wants to have rights to. But with streaming platforms, the limit isn't channel capacity, but maximizing revenue for the platform while maximizing revenue on a per/school basis.
IMO a bigger Big12 means more money for all Big12 members. I could see the following comprising a thriving Big12:
West: BYU, Utah, AZ, ASU, UNLV & SDSU (6 teams)
Mid America: ISU, KSU, KU, OSU, CU & TCU
South East: TT, Baylor, Houston, UCF, Cincy, WVU
That would position the Big12 should the ACC gets poached by the SEC/Big10 in the 2030's. Schools like Louisville, Pitt, Va Tech and Syracuse would seem like solid fits if the Big12 is the 3rd power conference.
West coast people don’t care about UCLA or the like. Look at their attendance. What makes anyone think SDSU or UNLV will be any different? Adding those schools makes zero sense.
San Diego didn’t care about the NFL, why would they care about the NCAA? SDSU is not a good pick up. Vegas now has the pros so UNLV will drop in the pecking order.
A better idea to increase payouts is to get rid of the dilutive AAC commuter schools that have over half their grads supporting the state flagship schools for football instead of their own school. Dissolve the B12 and create a new 10 team conference with the R8 minus WV + BYU + CU + UU.
The Pac-12 distribution from last year is artificially lower because they had many more cancelled games due to COVID. Oregon played 7 games and that includes the Fiesta Bowl they lost to us. But that league does make less than we do, at least now with OU and UT.
I don't believe the B12 gives a false official distribution. I do believe media screw things up oft times to fit their narrative.
Updated Power Five revenue projections show Pac-12 deficit expanding as COVID hits, ACC Network grows and Big Ten, SEC rake in the cash
The COVID year financials pushed the Pac-12 into a deeper hole relative to the ACC, Big Ten, Big 12 and SEC. And the trajectory appears set for the next three years.www.mercurynews.com
The tally for FY21:
SEC: $54.6 million per school
Big Ten: $46.1 million per school
ACC: $36.6 million per school
Big 12: $35.6 million per school
Pac-12: $19.8 million per school
(Figures for all leagues except the Pac-12 were published last week by USA Today. When a range of payouts within a specific conference was published, we have averaged them for clarity.)
Of note though I have seen Multiple numbers for the SEC showing anywhere from 43-55M and I have seen numbers for the B1G as high as 57M, and now we see the number released from the Big 12 at 42.6M I dont know what to make of this. Supposedly this information is directly from each tax returns.
You're right, but no one expected it to be this bad. They are in serious trouble. They have some serious issues, and if something doesnt change fast it could collapse.
The Big12 doesn't have any blue blood or flagship schools for football. That makes the Big12 look small. Having only 10 teams reinforces that perception. I think going large is the way to try to differentiate.
Gonna have 12 as it is. If the PAC does somehow get raided and loses their big teams, going to 16, or even 20 schools is the way to go. "Too big to fail" or at least "too big to ignore".
I'd love to have CU, UU, the Arizonas in the conference - big State schools. That gets you to 16. I've no idea who next best 4 are. You could take OreSt and Wazzu, but you could also head east and grab Temple or USF or someone out there too. The military academies would be awesome but I don't think they are really looking to be in a P5 level league.
The only thing I don't like is the geography is a mess. You would absolutely have to go to east-west divisions, especially for everything outside of football.
You don't want to add teams like Temple that would add 0 value and all they do is divide your pie even more.
So then you're saying that the Big12 was wrong to add Houston.
NCAA attendance #'s for the 2021/22 year aren't out yet. But excluding the Covid year, the Aztecs had higher attendance than Houston for the big 3 sports: FB, MBB and WBB for the 2018/19 & 2019/20 seasons.
- SDSU: 43,271 (FB averaged 30,617)
- Houston: 35,375 (FB averaged 27,638)
I agree that UNLV is a stretch, but still think they are a better fit that Washington State or Oregon State.
