We're replacing this:
This is the best looking cheerleader Missouri has, so just wait until SEC students have a chance to get introduced to their ugly ones. They'll be begging the B12 to take the Tigers back within two years.
RIP Missouri football relevancy 2007-2010, and good luck adding anything to your football trophy "collection" in your lifetime.
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I agree, unless they plan on using Texas AtM or a non-con connection with SMU/Houston/Texas to get recruits. No more Chase Daniels-types.
Why no more Chase Daniel types? If they still play one game per year in TX (either TAMU as a protected rivalry or some other school), why wouldn't they get another guy like that?
Daniel was a 3-star recruit that chose Missouri because they ran the spread in a similar style to Southlake Carroll. MU still has the same relationships in TX. Same offensive scheme and coaching. They averaged 1 game per year in Texas while Daniel was QB...not much change there.
MU won't get the guys that are offered by UT, TAMU, or OU. They never did. MU won't get the guys that want to stay close to home in Texas. But they never got those before, either.
Will MU recruit Texas less than before? Probably. But they'll recruit more in the Southeast. Why would a SE recruit want to come to the cold wasteland of Missouri? Probably for many of the same reasons Chase Daniel, Sean Weatherspoon, Ziggy Hood, and Danario Alexander left Texas for.
I wonder if I report a certain user for spam every time said user posts if I'll get in trouble with the mods....
Just saying, your new conference has one Texas team in it. Your last one had four. Pinkel has always recruited well in Texas and gotten some of your best players from there, but I don't think that continues if those recruits realize they'll have limited possibilites of playing games in their home state.
And Missouri isn't going to schedule SMU, Rice, UTEP, or Houston because they could lose those. Going down to Texas State in the non con isn't going to entice Texas kids.
The deuce you say! Why, I am sure Mizzou could play at North Texas. Although that coach has beaten them a couple times.
Nope, because MU is not noteworthy. Care about the same as when CO left. Meh.
Your trivial attempts at relevance are meaningless.
The simple fact is that the Big 12 is stable because Oklahoma and Texas gain nothing by leaving the Big 12. Everyone that has spouted "instability" or that the conference will be dissolving in 6 years has not produced a single valid point stating anything that they gain from leaving the conference.
The grant of rights for only 6 years is one I hear argued. That is very weak. There is one basic reason. The ESPN contract is up in 2015. We can tell ESPN that we will extend the rights in exchange for more money (or anything else we want in the contract). If it is 10 years, then we lose that in negotiations.
I also hear that Texas is going independent. They have no other place for their other sports in a major conference. Case closed.
OU to SEC or Pac 12 - OU will not be able to have their own network in Pac 12. In 6 years, when they have it fully running, they will not want to give it up. They will have a TV contract that is worth more than Pac 12 when you combine all 3 tiers. As for SEC, OU wants to win National Championships. They have a much higher probability of doing so in the Big 12. They have the lucrative Texas recruiting. They lose that in the SEC. They also have a lot more competition to get to a National Championship game in the SEC than the Big 12 (even if we go back to divisions). Also if SEC signs over all tier 3 rights to the SEC Network, that would be another huge hurdle for OU.
OU and UT flirted with Pac 12 in the past - This was under a different environment. The Big 12 has changed since then. OU was concerned about stability. There are two new teams in the conference (WVU and TCU) that are much more stable than MU and A&M. There is a new revenue sharing agreement. There is a grant of rights. OU is starting its own network. UT has its own network. Also, the Pac 12 wanted OU and UT to get a big TV contract. They got the contract without them. Adding them now would dilute the contract. Other teams in Pac 12 don't want to lose exposure to LA area. Chances of UT and OU going to Pac 12 are so slim it is laughable to even mention it.
The grant of rights for only 6 years is one I hear argued. That is very weak. There is one basic reason. The ESPN contract is up in 2015. We can tell ESPN that we will extend the rights in exchange for more money (or anything else we want in the contract). If it is 10 years, then we lose that in negotiations.
I also hear that Texas is going independent. They have no other place for their other sports in a major conference. Case closed.
OU to SEC or Pac 12 - OU will not be able to have their own network in Pac 12. In 6 years, when they have it fully running, they will not want to give it up. They will have a TV contract that is worth more than Pac 12 when you combine all 3 tiers. As for SEC, OU wants to win National Championships. They have a much higher probability of doing so in the Big 12. They have the lucrative Texas recruiting. They lose that in the SEC. They also have a lot more competition to get to a National Championship game in the SEC than the Big 12 (even if we go back to divisions). Also if SEC signs over all tier 3 rights to the SEC Network, that would be another huge hurdle for OU.
OU and UT flirted with Pac 12 in the past - This was under a different environment. The Big 12 has changed since then. OU was concerned about stability. There are two new teams in the conference (WVU and TCU) that are much more stable than MU and A&M. There is a new revenue sharing agreement. There is a grant of rights. OU is starting its own network. UT has its own network. Also, the Pac 12 wanted OU and UT to get a big TV contract. They got the contract without them. Adding them now would dilute the contract. Other teams in Pac 12 don't want to lose exposure to LA area. Chances of UT and OU going to Pac 12 are so slim it is laughable to even mention it.
For Mizzou fan thinking the recruiting in TX won't change then citing the fact they only play one game a year there now or in the past...said recruit knew he'd be in TX every year for 4-5 years as a member of the conference. Take into account the round-robin conference now and said recruit will have 2-4 opportunities to play in TX/OK within reach of family/friends every year.
We should be and will be celebrating Mizzou's exit as we will be the benefactor of more opportunity within the TX recruiting grounds for the caliber of player that would have come north to Missouri. KU/KSU and ISU will benefit.
Mizzou, start building relationships in FL/GA/AL for the 2/3 and occasional 4 star athletes that aren't getting sniffs from the local universities now...
Oh.....good riddance.
We should be and will be celebrating Mizzou's exit as we will be the benefactor of more opportunity within the TX recruiting grounds for the caliber of player that would have come north to Missouri. KU/KSU and ISU will benefit.
Mizzou, start building relationships in FL/GA/AL for the 2/3 and occasional 4 star athletes that aren't getting sniffs from the local universities now...
Oh.....good riddance.
I know there's no changing your mind, Hoops. Short of the Dallas sheriff evicting the Big 12 from its offices and carting all its belongings onto the front lawn, you're going to believe the conference is stable. Couple of points, though:
That's nuts. The rights deal is between each team and the league...it has nothing to do with the network. Unless the Big 12's negotiating position is "Give us more money, ESPN, or we'll DISBAND the conference!" there's no advantage to having the rights deal conclude at the same time as the network agreement. (Unless you're planning on leaving.) A 10 year rights deal would still be in effect if the Big 12 decides to sign with, say, Fox instead of ESPN. If anything, it enhances the league's position, because the networks will know they're getting the same teams they're paying for.
Think outside the box, Hoops. UT can take football independent and keep the rest safely in the Big 12. What would stop them? The combined unity of the rest of the conference? What are they going to do...kick Texas out?
Which team is the stable one: the team that's being sued by its former league, or the one that's been in, like, four conferences in the past 2 years?
Read the OU emails again. That's the kind of pressure Boren is under from his alums and boosters. They don't have any more faith in UT or the Big 12 than NU, CU, TAMU, or MU did.
If a school like MU has conference options, then OU does too. We'll all know more in about 4-5 years.
That's nuts. The rights deal is between each team and the league...it has nothing to do with the network. Unless the Big 12's negotiating position is "Give us more money, ESPN, or we'll DISBAND the conference!" there's no advantage to having the rights deal conclude at the same time as the network agreement. (Unless you're planning on leaving.) A 10 year rights deal would still be in effect if the Big 12 decides to sign with, say, Fox instead of ESPN. If anything, it enhances the league's position, because the networks will know they're getting the same teams they're paying for.
Think outside the box, Hoops. UT can take football independent and keep the rest safely in the Big 12. What would stop them? The combined unity of the rest of the conference? What are they going to do...kick Texas out?
Which team is the stable one: the team that's being sued by its former league, or the one that's been in, like, four conferences in the past 2 years?
Read the OU emails again. That's the kind of pressure Boren is under from his alums and boosters. They don't have any more faith in UT or the Big 12 than NU, CU, TAMU, or MU did.
If a school like MU has conference options, then OU does too. We'll all know more in about 4-5 years.
nope not really, i also see it more as we still have 4 of the original big 6 left anyways. the only team that i really hated to see go was nebraska, the other 3 doesnt bug me in the slightest.
Ugh, the problem with that statement, is that Mizzu played in a conference that had THE footprint in the state of Texas. As a result of this, they spent a great many manhours, and resources recruiting said state.
Now, since you will not have the presence in said state, because the conference that you have fled to is not the predominant conference in that state, it will be difficult for mizzu to continue to recruit with the same emphasis said state.
I understand that you have to live in denial, because you are a fan. I just don't understand why you think that you will have even remotely close to the same success that you have had the last five years. The brand of fb is different. The quality of athlete, and what is emphasized athletically, is different than what you have recruited the past 10 years.
A & M is was and always will be second banana in Texas. All they have managed to do with this move is take recruits away from THEMSELVES. They have opened East Texas to schools like Mississippi State that would have never had the opportunity to go there before. They don't realize that, yet, but they will soon enough. You didn't get the recruits that aggy wanted, now you will fall in line behind the rest of the SEC SEC SEC.....to get the kids that you are now signing.
To have to completely change a recruiting area, especially when you are losing the one that has been so beneficial for the development of your program is not a change that a school like mizzu can absorb easily.
I also have news for you, you are not going in, and revolutionizing the way they do things in the SEC. I know, with all of the snarky posts, you actually think that your football program is going to compete with the best of the best in that division.
I just hope, a few years from now, when you are on your 2nd or 3rd coach after pinkel is forced out, that you remember how big of an *** you have been here. And how worth it is was to get to chant SEC SEC SEC.......
Yes it sucks that we have lost some Big 12 North teams, but we are replacing them. Colorado looks like they are having a spectacular time in the Pac-12 being the doormat and Nebraska is not "taking the conference by storm".
Missouri, this was a terrible decision. Playing and Recruiting against Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Tennesse, LSU, Auburn, Alabama, Arkansas, Texas A&M and Mississippi State is going to be hell. Kentucky, Vanderbilt, and Ole Miss are the "easy wins" but that is it!
Two years ago Ole Miss was in the Cotton Bowl two years in a row and now their coach has resigned! Mississippi state was in the Gator Bowl last year and was doing really well in the SEC last year. Now they are 1-4 in conference play and 5-4 overall.
The SEC is a meat grinder of a conference, and I really do not think Missouri has any chance. You will probably get 2-3 conference wins per year due to Vanderbilt and Kentucky and maybe Tennessee if they do not get out of this malaise. Are Missouri fans going to endure that every year? I doubt it, and I would not doubt that you guys go through many different head coaches in the next 6-8 years in the SEC.
The only major sport Missouri will be able to compete in will be basketball, but since no one gives a **** about basketball in this conference realignment ********, no one will care. Have fun Missouri, we wont miss you.
Missouri, this was a terrible decision. Playing and Recruiting against Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Tennesse, LSU, Auburn, Alabama, Arkansas, Texas A&M and Mississippi State is going to be hell. Kentucky, Vanderbilt, and Ole Miss are the "easy wins" but that is it!
Two years ago Ole Miss was in the Cotton Bowl two years in a row and now their coach has resigned! Mississippi state was in the Gator Bowl last year and was doing really well in the SEC last year. Now they are 1-4 in conference play and 5-4 overall.
The SEC is a meat grinder of a conference, and I really do not think Missouri has any chance. You will probably get 2-3 conference wins per year due to Vanderbilt and Kentucky and maybe Tennessee if they do not get out of this malaise. Are Missouri fans going to endure that every year? I doubt it, and I would not doubt that you guys go through many different head coaches in the next 6-8 years in the SEC.
The only major sport Missouri will be able to compete in will be basketball, but since no one gives a **** about basketball in this conference realignment ********, no one will care. Have fun Missouri, we wont miss you.
So what? We lost three of the OVERALL weakest athletic schools in the division.
I see references to Missouri basketball as if they're some type of powerhouse...
When has Missouri done ANYTHING in basketball in the past decade or more??? Norm Stewart has been gone for awhile. Quinn Snyder???? Nothing. They're last coach saw fit to go to the SEC before he accomplished anything at Missouri. Haith, the Miami story isn't over yet and he's yet to win a Big XII game.
Florida isn't losing sleep over Missouri on the hardwood....Kentucky isn't ******* down their leg in fear....Tennessee has had success in hoops and isn't shaking with fear over Missouri. A&M will likely be above Missouri on the court....
Missouri will be middle of the pack in both major revenue sports for years to come. Middle of the pack is best case....they'll suffer seasons of abysmal performance that will see fairweather fans disappear and coaches cast away thinking that will resolve their problem. Enjoy the coin and the pretty upgrades to your campus....you know the saying you can put lipstick on a pig....but it's still a pig....
When has Missouri done ANYTHING in basketball in the past decade or more??? Norm Stewart has been gone for awhile. Quinn Snyder???? Nothing. They're last coach saw fit to go to the SEC before he accomplished anything at Missouri. Haith, the Miami story isn't over yet and he's yet to win a Big XII game.
Florida isn't losing sleep over Missouri on the hardwood....Kentucky isn't ******* down their leg in fear....Tennessee has had success in hoops and isn't shaking with fear over Missouri. A&M will likely be above Missouri on the court....
Missouri will be middle of the pack in both major revenue sports for years to come. Middle of the pack is best case....they'll suffer seasons of abysmal performance that will see fairweather fans disappear and coaches cast away thinking that will resolve their problem. Enjoy the coin and the pretty upgrades to your campus....you know the saying you can put lipstick on a pig....but it's still a pig....
People are focusing on Texas, which is smart, but you must remember this also hurts Missouri/KC area recruiting. You cannot deny that the SEC move is going to reduce the influence of MU in the KC area. You would have to think 25% at least. KU, KSU, ISU and Nebraska will fill that area, probably in that order. This especially affects recruiting. How in the world is Mizzou going to fill that talent gap, especially after at least similarly shrinking their influence in Texas?
Last I saw, Mizzou isn't some powerhouse that reloads and doesn't rebuild. Look at their basketball team last year, and their football team this year. And that is before they made this idiotic move.
So I ask again, where and how do they make up for the shrinking areas of influence? Answer: they don't. And that is why some of their die-hard fans are here. Fear. They know in their hearts how this is going to turn out, and I guess they are just hoping for a pat on their head from us and to be told that everything is going to work out. Its a brilliant move. We are jealous. Sadly for them, both those statements are false.
There is without a question that this move will do long term harm to the university, state, and athletic programs of Missouri. They are just to headstrong or stupid to realize it.
I guess that just makes me more proud to be a Cyclone. We know darn well our history. We know who we are. We can admit it. But instead of blowing a bunch of hot air around, we are trying like mad to better our situation and improve things. I would gladly take that over believing lies just to comfort ourselves.
Last I saw, Mizzou isn't some powerhouse that reloads and doesn't rebuild. Look at their basketball team last year, and their football team this year. And that is before they made this idiotic move.
So I ask again, where and how do they make up for the shrinking areas of influence? Answer: they don't. And that is why some of their die-hard fans are here. Fear. They know in their hearts how this is going to turn out, and I guess they are just hoping for a pat on their head from us and to be told that everything is going to work out. Its a brilliant move. We are jealous. Sadly for them, both those statements are false.
There is without a question that this move will do long term harm to the university, state, and athletic programs of Missouri. They are just to headstrong or stupid to realize it.
I guess that just makes me more proud to be a Cyclone. We know darn well our history. We know who we are. We can admit it. But instead of blowing a bunch of hot air around, we are trying like mad to better our situation and improve things. I would gladly take that over believing lies just to comfort ourselves.
