Big 12 Championship Game Computer Projection

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I’ve done something similar to this the past couple years in basketball, but never before in football because, frankly, it’s less interesting when your team’s on its way to a 3-9 season.

Basically, this is 100,000 Monte Carlo simulations of the rest of the Big 12 football season in Python, using Ken Massey’s rating system for the odds for every remaining game.

Here are the chances for each team to make the Big 12 Championship Game. The parenthetical is their regular-season chances of finishing 1st and 2nd.

TCU: 82.5% (60.4% 1st, 22.1% 2nd)
Oklahoma: 44.6% (20.5% 1st, 24.1% 2nd)
Oklahoma St.: 39.1% (9.4% 1st, 29.7% 2nd)
Iowa St.: 21.5% (7.6% 1st, 14.0% 2nd)
West Virginia: 7.4% (1.1% 1st, 6.3% 2nd)
Texas: 4.7% (1.1% 1st, 3.7% 2nd)
Kansas St.: 0.2% (0.0% 1st, 0.2% 2nd)
Texas Tech: 0.1% (0.0% 1st, 0.1% 2nd)
Baylor and Kansas: zippo

And here are the Championship Game matchups that have at least a 1% chance of happening:

Oklahoma/TCU: 32.0%
Oklahoma St./TCU: 29.2%
Iowa St./TCU: 13.6%
TCU/West Virginia: 6.0%
Oklahoma/Oklahoma St.: 5.8%
Iowa St./Oklahoma: 4.4%
Iowa St./Oklahoma St.: 2.7%
Oklahoma/Texas: 1.6%
TCU/Texas: 1.6%
Oklahoma St./Texas: 1.0%

(Slight boring caveat: The program only goes through the first two tiebreakers, since the third tiebreaker involves points and would be a pain in the butt to model. That said, the first two tiebreakers -- and situations with no tiebreaker necessary -- covered 99.2% of the simulations, so the odds wouldn’t change much.)

Obviously, the Iowa State/TCU game has large ramifications for both teams, but I wanted to see how much. The Championship Game odds if Iowa State wins (ignoring the other games that week):

Iowa St.: 43.7% (22.9% 1st, 20.7% 2nd)
TCU: 60.4% (35.0% 1st, 25.4% 2nd)

And the odds if TCU is the victor:

Iowa St.: 11.2% (0.3% 1st, 10.9% 2nd)
TCU: 93.2% (72.8% 1st, 20.4% 2nd)

And finally, here’s Iowa State’s chances of ending up at any given record:

5-7: 1.0%
6-6: 10.9%
7-5: 30.5%
8-4: 35.9%
9-3: 18.3%
10-2: 3.3%

Anyone want the odds for different scenarios, just ask -- they're easy to do after I spent the couple hours writing the program.
 
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What is up with the rating system? 8-4 is more likely than 7-5 or 6-6? I have a hard time believing that.
 

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What is up with the rating system? 8-4 is more likely than 7-5 or 6-6? I have a hard time believing that.

This is what Massey has as ISU's chances of winning in their remaining games:

TCU: 32%
@WV: 53%
OSU: 37%
@Baylor: 86%
@KSU: 62%

Those all seem reasonable to me, although @WV and @KSU might be a little high. ISU should get a win at Baylor, one win from either WV/KSU, and a better than 50/50 shot at one win from either TCU/OSU. So that puts ISU at either 7-5 or 8-4.
 

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Obviously, the Iowa State/TCU game has large ramifications for both teams, but I wanted to see how much. The Championship Game odds if Iowa State wins (ignoring the other games that week):

Iowa St.: 43.7% (22.9% 1st, 20.7% 2nd)
TCU: 60.4% (35.0% 1st, 25.4% 2nd)

And the odds if TCU is the victor:

Iowa St.: 11.2% (0.3% 1st, 10.9% 2nd)
TCU: 93.2% (72.8% 1st, 20.4% 2nd)


Anyone want the odds for different scenarios, just ask -- they're easy to do after I spent the couple hours writing the program.


You already answered my question which would have been about how a win against TCU affects the odds. Thanks. Great work.
 

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This is what Massey has as ISU's chances of winning in their remaining games:

TCU: 32%
@WV: 53%
OSU: 37%
@Baylor: 86%
@KSU: 62%

Those all seem reasonable to me, although @WV and @KSU might be a little high. ISU should get a win at Baylor, one win from either WV/KSU, and a better than 50/50 shot at one win from either TCU/OSU. So that puts ISU at either 7-5 or 8-4.


I saw another where we're the favorite in only one more.
 

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Well, I found one publication who thinks we'll beat TCU. Granted, they wrote this on August 22nd, but still.

2017 Iowa State Cyclones Football Schedule
2017 Preseason Prediction: 4-8
2017 Preseason Big 12 Prediction: 2-7

Sept. 2 Northern Iowa W
Sept. 9 Iowa L
Sept. 16 OPEN DATE
Sept. 23 at Akron W
Sept. 30 Texas L
Oct. 7 at Oklahoma L
Oct. 14 Kansas W
Oct. 21 at Texas Tech L
Oct. 28 TCU W
Nov. 4 at West Virginia L
Nov. 11 Oklahoma State L
Nov. 18 at Baylor L
Nov. 25 at Kansas State L
2017 Iowa State Team Preview
 

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ISU making the BCS would probably end up being the demise of the BCS. :)

I was actually going to ask, if we win out and win the Big12 champ game, would we even get into the playoff with 2 losses? (Obviously this is an extremely tough task, but just curious to what everyone thought)
 

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I’ve done something similar to this the past couple years in basketball, but never before in football because, frankly, it’s less interesting when your team’s on its way to a 3-9 season.

Basically, this is 100,000 Monte Carlo simulations of the rest of the Big 12 football season in Python, using Ken Massey’s rating system for the odds for every remaining game.

Here are the chances for each team to make the Big 12 Championship Game. The parenthetical is their regular-season chances of finishing 1st and 2nd.

TCU: 82.5% (60.4% 1st, 22.1% 2nd)
Oklahoma: 44.6% (20.5% 1st, 24.1% 2nd)
Oklahoma St.: 39.1% (9.4% 1st, 29.7% 2nd)
Iowa St.: 21.5% (7.6% 1st, 14.0% 2nd)
West Virginia: 7.4% (1.1% 1st, 6.3% 2nd)
Texas: 4.7% (1.1% 1st, 3.7% 2nd)
Kansas St.: 0.2% (0.0% 1st, 0.2% 2nd)
Texas Tech: 0.1% (0.0% 1st, 0.1% 2nd)
Baylor and Kansas: zippo

And here are the Championship Game matchups that have at least a 1% chance of happening:

Oklahoma/TCU: 32.0%
Oklahoma St./TCU: 29.2%
Iowa St./TCU: 13.6%
TCU/West Virginia: 6.0%
Oklahoma/Oklahoma St.: 5.8%
Iowa St./Oklahoma: 4.4%
Iowa St./Oklahoma St.: 2.7%
Oklahoma/Texas: 1.6%
TCU/Texas: 1.6%
Oklahoma St./Texas: 1.0%

(Slight boring caveat: The program only goes through the first two tiebreakers, since the third tiebreaker involves points and would be a pain in the butt to model. That said, the first two tiebreakers -- and situations with no tiebreaker necessary -- covered 99.2% of the simulations, so the odds wouldn’t change much.)

Obviously, the Iowa State/TCU game has large ramifications for both teams, but I wanted to see how much. The Championship Game odds if Iowa State wins (ignoring the other games that week):

Iowa St.: 43.7% (22.9% 1st, 20.7% 2nd)
TCU: 60.4% (35.0% 1st, 25.4% 2nd)

And the odds if TCU is the victor:

Iowa St.: 11.2% (0.3% 1st, 10.9% 2nd)
TCU: 93.2% (72.8% 1st, 20.4% 2nd)

And finally, here’s Iowa State’s chances of ending up at any given record:

5-7: 1.0%
6-6: 10.9%
7-5: 30.5%
8-4: 35.9%
9-3: 18.3%
10-2: 3.3%

Anyone want the odds for different scenarios, just ask -- they're easy to do after I spent the couple hours writing the program.
Thanks for the info. This is actually interesting, informative and useful.

I could probably learn a lesson from this post but I probably won't.
 
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With any luck we will be there by Tuesday.
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I was actually going to ask, if we win out and win the Big12 champ game, would we even get into the playoff with 2 losses? (Obviously this is an extremely tough task, but just curious to what everyone thought)

I would say New Years 6 for sure. Too bad the rose bowl isn't in play. Iowa State going to a Rose Bowl would provoke a Hawkeye meltdown that likes of which we haven't seen before.