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WooClone15 said:
Do you know (or does anyone else know) what rule that is or the logic behind it, because I don't understand how it makes more sense to count the basket, have us shoot a free throw, and give us the ball, than to just take the points off.
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The idea is to give the refs a chance to correct a call missed earlier. So I imagine, if they had figured out 5 minutes off the clock later that Jared should've got the second free throw, they could grant it to him but not reset the entire game that had already occurred.

Why in this case, they couldn't have said "no, that possession shouldn't have happened" is a bit annoying. It's like the refs decided to figure it out after KU ended their possession. They could've blown the play dead at any point and figured it out.
 
GTO said:
Has there been any game where ISU has not been penetrated by the refs at least once (other than the Nebraska game from a couple of years ago)? If we keep adding every time the refs screwed us, this video will need to have an intermission halfway through it!
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Like Lawrence of Arabia except with refs sodimizing ISU.
 
RubyClone said:
The idea is to give the refs a chance to correct a call missed earlier. So I imagine, if they had figured out 5 minutes off the clock later that Jared should've got the second free throw, they could grant it to him but not reset the entire game that had already occurred.

Why in this case, they couldn't have said "no, that possession shouldn't have happened" is a bit annoying. It's like the refs decided to figure it out after KU ended their possession. They could've blown the play dead at any point and figured it out.
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Ok I guess that it makes sense, but that's still a stupid rule. The problem with the rule is that if team b (the team that fouled) scored, it puts pressure on team a to match that.

I would still include it, since the refs obviously didn't have the balls or brains (they can take their pick) to figure it out and it ended up costing Iowa State.
 
WooClone15 said:
Do you know (or does anyone else know) what rule that is or the logic behind it, because I don't understand how it makes more sense to count the basket, have us shoot a free throw, and give us the ball, than to just take the points off.
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Here is the rule. They have to correct it at the next deadball or they can't at all. However, they did use the correct method for correcting their really inexcusable error.

http://cyclonefanatic.com/forum/showthread.php?t=193675&page=3&p=4229861#post4229861

By the way, the rulebook is online. It is a quick, free pdf download. I am amazed at the number of posters who continually and desperately want to know the rules for FB and BB alike but can't seem to look in the rulebooks.

Would you feel the same way if ISU was down by 2 and our opponent was shooting the freethrow, missed and our guy puts up a desperation 3 a little early only to can a 60 footer with 0.5 seconds left on the clock? The officials realize that our opponents should have gotten a second FT so they took our amazing shot off the scoreboard and put 2 seconds back on the clock so they can shoot the FT? Of course you would be livid. Now our guys have to replicate that play just to tie the game.

The remedy makes sense. The fact that it was needed for their elementary failure is what is reprehensible.
 
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VeloClone said:
Here is the rule. They have to correct it at the next deadball or they can't at all. However, they did use the correct method for correcting their really inexcusable error.

http://cyclonefanatic.com/forum/showthread.php?t=193675&page=3&p=4229861#post4229861

By the way, the rulebook is online. It is a quick, free pdf download. I am amazed at the number of posters who continually and desperately want to know the rules for FB and BB alike but can't seem to look in the rulebooks.

Would you feel the same way if ISU was down by 2 and our opponent was shooting the freethrow, missed and our guy puts up a desperation 3 a little early only to can a 60 footer with 0.5 seconds left on the clock? The officials realize that our opponents should have gotten a second FT so they took our amazing shot off the scoreboard and put 2 seconds back on the clock so they can shoot the FT? Of course you would be livid. Now our guys have to replicate that play just to tie the game.

The remedy makes sense. The fact that it was needed for their elementary failure is what is reprehensible.
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I figure it's easier for someone to explain an obscure rule or post a link to it than for me to have to go hunt for it. I'd do the same thing if someone asked me about a rule that I knew.

And no, I wouldn't be livid. I probably wouldn't even be upset. I might feel like I got kicked in the balls, but would probably just laugh at the fact that of course that would happen to Iowa State.
 
This whole thing has gotten out of control and ridiculous. It makes ISU from the top down look like a bunch of Whinyass *itches. The bottom line IMO is to have a big enough lead at the end of a game so you don't give the referees the power to determine the outcome of a game.
 
WooClone15 said:
Ok I guess that it makes sense, but that's still a stupid rule. The problem with the rule is that if team b (the team that fouled) scored, it puts pressure on team a to match that.

I would still include it, since the refs obviously didn't have the balls or brains (they can take their pick) to figure it out and it ended up costing Iowa State.
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Ehh - the rule isn't bad. But like I said - it was pure and utter incompetence on the part of THREE officials for it to get to that point.
 
isukendall said:
Two others to add:

-Seneca Wallace non-TD call vs. Florida State
-"No good" field goal vs. Alabama in bowl game
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Take your pick - OSU's missing FG in 2011, or the ISU's making the FG in 2001. You can only have one. They were the same thing.
 
RubyClone said:
Take your pick - OSU's missing FG in 2011, or the ISU's making the FG in 2001. You can only have one. They were the same thing.
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Exactly what I have said every since the OSU game. While it is tempting to have a bowl W against a power like 'Bama on the books, a conference win against #2, that late in the season, on national TV with no other games on is hard to top.
 
RubyClone said:
Ehh - the rule isn't bad. But like I said - it was pure and utter incompetence on the part of THREE officials for it to get to that point.
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I just think they should give the fouled team however many points the other team got from that possession (in our case, we would have been given three points because Kansas made a three. If they would have gotten zero, we would have gotten zero.). Don't force the fouled team to have to make baskets to correct for a mistake that you made. But yeah, this was on the officials.
 
How about the Jarvis West catch for a 1st down that the K State player "intercepted."
 
WalkingCY said:
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Honestly - this one infuriates me more than about any of the others. Not only do you have to (theoretically) see the foul to call it, but the two in question are two different races! You can't remember in the 15 steps from call to scorers table the COLOR of the man you called the foul on? Even so... you can also use replay to determine who a foul was called on. And it had an impact since they didn't call the charge later, it was Withey and his 7' who kept the ball alive from Luscious I believe - giving KU the FT's to send it to OT.

Screw up on SOOOO many levels. And of course...KU on the receiving end. I've said for years, refs are more intimidated/in awe of KU than the opposition generally is.

Edit: Oops. Think the replay thing didn't happen until the following summer.
 
oldman said:
How about the Jarvis West catch for a 1st down that the K State player "intercepted."
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If only there was somewhere that a robust discussion on that had occurred ...

But I think this is as good of a time as any to say this: the video is supposed to be times when ISU unequivocally got screwed. You want everyone and their brother to agree that there was a mistake.

The mere fact that the Jarvis catch has been debated repeatedly rules that one out.
 
IlliniCy said:
Thoughts:

Add the no-hold call against Bibbs in OSU game.
Add the no-review Lockett catch from KSU game.
Don't use Aaron Craft play, and keep video focused on Big 12.
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The Craft one doesn't bother me all that much. It was a bang-bang, very, very close play that they couldn't review. I can live with that.
 
The Phantom 3 at the Phog and KState interception ones that people are arguing about. I'm sorry but it is absolutely ridiculous that some fail to understand what the problem is. I understand the rule. I know what it is. You don't have to quote it over and over again. The problem is that the rule is misapplied.

In the KU one that is meant if play continues normally. You can't say that the Iowa State players were legitimately playing defense on that.

In the KState interception. I don't want to get back into the debate, but the problem is that some believe that the KState player comes in after Jarvis completes the catch.

Most people understand what the rule says, but disagree with how it is applied. It is similar to an appeal in the legal system. You aren't looking at the facts of a case again you are looking to see if the law is applied correctly.
 
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