Asking again: Has the rot started to set in?

Has the rot started to creep in?


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Stormin

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Don't hate Campbell, just sad he can't change.

Mac got fired because of 2005. That team underwhelmed just like 2021. I supported it.

Campbell's fluffers get old because they take any criticism of him as heresy.

He's an astonishingly bad gameday coach, especially when it comes to adjustments and time management.

He's got the easiest schedule ever, with the best facilities and most financial support as well.

Most troubling is ISU fans deserve better out of him. ISU showed out well in KC considering the prices, and he didn't change nothing. Just took the loss like a chump.

Mac benefitted from 4 nonconference games. And a soft conference schedule 2 years out of every 4. Mac was also notoriously bad at finishing games by playing ultra conservative predictable football. But I still loved Mac and overall he did a great job despite many misfires.
 
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Yeah, I know -- Sagarin isn't perfect. But I'd trust its assessment of our team and schedule over a lot of the takes in this thread. Let's win Saturday, get to 8-2, and go from there.
 

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danvillecyclone

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Mac benefitted from 4 nonconference games. And a soft conference schedule 2 years out of every 4. Mac was also notoriously bad at finishing games by playing ultra conservative predictable football. But I still loved Mac and overall he did a great job despite many misfires.


Tied game late. Win the game and we win the Big 12 north. Huge defensive play and a 53 yard fumble return to get us inside the Missouri 20 with under 2 mins to play.

Too conservative?
3 straight runs?

If Culberson makes the FG the entire trajectory of ISU changes.



 

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Tied game late. Win the game and we win the Big 12 north. Huge defensive play and a 53 yard fumble return to get us inside the Missouri 20 with under 2 mins to play.

Too conservative?
3 straight runs?

If Culberson makes the FG the entire trajectory of ISU changes.




Absolutely depressing reading that article. I was at the game with my Mizzou grad sister.
 

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CMC is a good coach. He isn't perfect or transcendent. He's not Saban, or Kirby, or one of about only 5 other guys.

After about 5 guys, there's probably 20-30 that are good. He is one of those. And most of those guys are looking for a bigger job with more money and recruits than ISU.

CMC isn't going anywhere, and he shouldn't. He is a good man, a good coach, and has the best interest of the players at heart. And he is happy here being allowed to do what he wants to do as his calling in life.

If that's not good enough, well what is? How about Bill Snyder as a target? That seems like a pretty high goal, what does it look like?

27 seasons:
215-117 (7.7 wins per year)
128-89 in conference (5.3 wins per year in a 9 game season comp)
NINE 10-win seasons (a third of his time!)
FIVE more 9-win seasons
9-10 in bowls
5 CCG appearances
won the conference title twice

Is that the goal for CMC at ISU? If you think he can not do it, how close does he have to get before you are OK?
Campbell can retire from ISU if he puts up Bill Snyder numbers. IMO.
 
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Stormin

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Tied game late. Win the game and we win the Big 12 north. Huge defensive play and a 53 yard fumble return to get us inside the Missouri 20 with under 2 mins to play.

Too conservative?
3 straight runs?

If Culberson makes the FG the entire trajectory of ISU changes.




Mac was surely smart enough to end up with center field placement to eliminate a tough angle on the field goal. Or not?
 

danvillecyclone

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Mac was surely smart enough to end up with center field placement to eliminate a tough angle on the field goal. Or not?
Right hash. Into the South End Zone.

No Sukup

Exposed to the elements.

Wind was whipping from the west.

Straight pushed it right. Not enough wind to help.
 

chuckd4735

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Don't hate Campbell, just sad he can't change.

Mac got fired because of 2005. That team underwhelmed just like 2021. I supported it.

Campbell's fluffers get old because they take any criticism of him as heresy.

He's an astonishingly bad gameday coach, especially when it comes to adjustments and time management.

He's got the easiest schedule ever, with the best facilities and most financial support as well.

Most troubling is ISU fans deserve better out of him. ISU showed out well in KC considering the prices, and he didn't change nothing. Just took the loss like a chump.
Mac got fired because of 2006, but the missed Big 12 North Championships in 2004 and 2005 both played into that.
 

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Natty? I’d be happy to start with a conference championship.
Oh you’d be “happy” with something this school hasn’t done during any living persons lifetime? Give me a break. Hang it up and go buy an Oregon and a Georgia shirt at Walmart
 

Stormin

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Mac got fired because of 2006, but the missed Big 12 North Championships in 2004 and 2005 both played into that.

2003 was devastating. Two non. conference wins against weak opponents and a winless conference season where we were not competitive. Offensive touchdowns were celebrated about as often as a solar eclipse. We were absolutely awful. But had injuries and were young. Add in the Jason Berryman situation. Stars were all lined up in 2005. We were all in. Weak schedule. Veterans returning that actually played decently. Disappointing season hurt recruiting. Then came 2006. Career ending injury to Carper. We lost a possible pro as a sophomore. Add in the loss of Matt Robertson earlier to steroid violations. Iowa State struggled. Recruiting was absolutely dead because Mac was likely to be fired. It really was that bad. No one wanted Mac fired. We felt terrible and honored the contract in full. That being said, we have a lifetime coach in Campbell. We are in the hunt even now.
 

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I feel like I’m taking crazy pills reading these responses. There is a significant inability onto look at this from a point of view of being in 2006.

I don’t disagree Kelly or Harbaugh may have worked out better, but with the information we had at the time, not using hindsight, the fact Iowa State landed Chizik was nothing short of astounding and was widely lauded as a huge get at the time.
gunner just likes to stir up sh*t
 
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Tied game late. Win the game and we win the Big 12 north. Huge defensive play and a 53 yard fumble return to get us inside the Missouri 20 with under 2 mins to play.

Too conservative?
3 straight runs?

If Culberson makes the FG the entire trajectory of ISU changes.



As awful as the losses to Mizzou in 2004 and @ Kansas in 2005 were, it wouldn't have changed the trajectory much IMO. Sheesh OU stomped Colorado in the 2004 Big XII CCG 42-3, and Texas skull drugged the Buffaloes in the 2005 Big XII CCG 70-3. 'Twould have just meant back to back Big XII CCG game blowout losses for the Cyclones IMO. I still wish ISU would have beaten Mizzou and won @ Kansas, but it would not have changed the trajectory of ISU football IMO.
 
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isufanz1

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That’s an understatement.

Bill Snyder has a statue.

Oh. Also a pavilion and a wheat seed hybrid named after him.

One more.

The F ing Stadium is named after him.
Campbell can’t carry Snyder’s water. Synder did that with tougher conference schedules at a place which was considered worse than ISU when he arrived.

Since CMC hire, the conference has gotten markedly easier and facilities have greatly improved. At an absolute minimum he needs to win one more game just to be on par with last yr given the incredibly easy schedule (and even then I would consider it a step back as there should have been growth for a team returning everyone).

Now if he can somehow close out with at least two more victories (looking doubtful the way they have played the last 3-4 weeks) then at least we would have taken a step forward from last season. Anything less (given SOS) and it is treading water or worse.

People are greatly underestimating the change in SOS that has occurred given conference realignment. Our schedules going forward are going to be markedly easier than the DMac era.
 

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This year will end with us playing 1 ranked team at the end of the year and that is not even guaranteed (Kansas State). If we can’t get it done with this patheticly easy schedule it just won’t happen - especially with a team returning everyone from last yrs 7-6 team that played a tougher schedule.
The top ten teams in the country are a step above everyone else, but when you look at 11th to 40th, there is a lot of parity and matchups are tough to predict. If we can finish 9-3 or even 8-4 in such an environment, that has to be considered a good year for ISU. We have the potential to do better, but we also have the potential to do worse. That's why they play the games.