Asking again: Has the rot started to set in?

Has the rot started to creep in?


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Statefan10

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Maybe CMC should send Prohm a thank you card.

The fact people are now debating which turd smells worse may mean there is some merit to how bad football is getting.
It's sad that we're doing that, yes lol I was merely stating how bad that loss to Florida A&M was. The MAC is completely different than the SWAC, like it's not even comparable. Ohio is competing for the title this year and could/should win 10 games. That FAMU team went 12-15, we were their first P5 victory of all time, and we also were their second win all season and they won on New Years Eve lol.
 

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It’s around this point that I remember that entertainment is supposed to bring feelings of delight while distracting me from things I ought to be doing.

If it’s not entertaining, what’s the point?
Just remember that sports aren't end all be all, even though in my life, they consume a lot of it. My biggest issue isn't the emotional toll.. I'm an ISU fan for crying out loud. It's the financial toll. Everything's so damn expensive right now and driving all the way to Ames on Saturday and everything that comes with that just to watch our offense sleep walk is putting a bad taste in my mouth.
 

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I don't necessarily disagree with that. I just happen to think it's not likely JP makes that move and I understand that side as well. One caveat I would throw in there is that if that were to happen on the back of a really good defense and poor offense like we've had, there better be a pretty good plan for remaking the offense. This "get better at doing what we're doing" stuff has to be gone and we have to find something we can do. I think we're asking the offense to win in really tight margins across the board. We're asking for a lot of difficult blocks to be made, small holes to be hit, and small windows to be thrown into. Like, just run that last TD series on the first series of the game. Just try it. When it's 2nd and 8, take a shot down the field. I'm not going to ***** about that stuff but when we hit 2nd and 8 and presumably try to run the ball so we can get to like 3rd and 4 for the 15th time in the game my blood starts boiling.

The plan seems to be: we're gonna run our few plays; if we score fine; if not we're just gonna run those same plays until 4th quarter and we have to score, then we might try something different.

I just don't get why a team would have an offensive philosophy that seems to have an aversion to scoring points. It seems like a gross overreaction to the air-raid offenses of a bygone era, and is not well suited to playing in the current Big 12. No, you don't have score 60 points a game, but why is scoring 30 so objectionable?
 

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It's sad that we're doing that, yes lol I was merely stating how bad that loss to Florida A&M was. The MAC is completely different than the SWAC, like it's not even comparable. Ohio is competing for the title this year and could/should win 10 games. That FAMU team went 12-15, we were their first P5 victory of all time, and we also were their second win all season and they won on New Years Eve lol.


I know. But Prohm being used to prop up CMC on this hate everything Prohm website is not a sparkling endorsement of the job he is doing with the football program.
 

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The plan seems to be: we're gonna run our few plays; if we score fine; if not we're just gonna run those same plays until 4th quarter and we have to score, then we might try something different.

I just don't get why a team would have an offensive philosophy that seems to have an aversion to scoring points. It seems like a gross overreaction to the air-raid offenses of a bygone era, and is not well suited to playing in the current Big 12. No, you don't have score 60 points a game, but why is scoring 30 so objectionable?
Higgins had the ability to run by his defender with ease on Saturday. I'd have to go back but I think we only let it rip two times? Both good throws, and if I remember correctly, both should've been PI but only one was called.
 

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I know. But Prohm being used to prop up CMC on this hate everything Prohm website is not a sparkling endorsement of the job he is doing with the football program.
I'd have to go back but I don't think the person who brought up Prohm was doing so in support of Campbell. They were using Prohm to compare this loss was on that level, which it wasn't. I agree there's no reason to bring him up.

Matt has not lost the team nor is he getting blown out every single night. Matt has a legit opportunity right out in front of him to change for the better and if he does, it could/should net positive results. Hopefully wins, but just improvement on the offensive side and being aggressive is what most fans want, and I think a lot of us agree that with our defense it should net wins. If he stays stubborn in his ways, he could be on the way out soon.
 
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Yeah I've thought about this some because I was a pretty ardent PR supporter for too long. While I'll be the first to tell you that right now you can't afford to have a bad football program I'll also say that no matter who you hire there's going to be a fairly significant chance they stink too and with transition costs I think you do have to give the guy a lot more leash because he has had success. I'm as down as anyone but there's a tightrope to walk here and these are the reasons JP gets paid a lot of money. This isn't easy to navigate if this season is a 1 or 2 win season. There will be a lot of people that want change and historically those people haven't brought the wallet with their ******** so it makes it a really tough spot.

I’m not down. I’m frustrated.

Maybe I’m too optimistic, but I don’t see rot yet
Just a decent football team with bad coaching on offense.

Campbell has a low potential strategy on offense, and even worse, is a bad tactician on executing that strategy. We clearly don’t teach the details needed at a high enough level, when trying to implement an offense that depends on winning margins on a handful of plays
 
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I mean, half of this stuff just isn't accurate. We haven't run power, outside blocking is useless because we don't have anyone who can make a reach block though the TEs and WRs don't help, passing as an extension of the run just really isn't tried because short outs and sprint outs don't count as that, our pass protection has been largely fine if not good as seen by our TD drive on Saturday, and Becht/Brahmer have been the only bright spots in this offense to this point. Becht has made very little in the way of mistakes to this point with his last two INTs being the fault of the receiver, not him and he's very rarely (maybe never?) put the ball in real danger. He is literally the only major component that has been good and that's all despite having no help from the system and little help from the guys he's throwing it to. There has to be a concerted effort to put the ball in his hands because it's nearly impossible to make wholesale running game and scheme changes at this point and the OL isn't just going to show up and be good to very good which is what they'd need to be for this scheme to work. I would completely throw out multiple TE sets, split out my TEs and throw the ball with some run if you actually get light boxes because you almost definitely will because no one is going to dedicate extra resources to stopping our run until we prove we can beat a 5 or 6 man box.
I'll also add that maybe it didn't matter, but the pick 6 against Iowa included arguably the worst out route I've ever seen by Norton. If you're running an option route, or at least one that's supposed to look like an option route, you are at the very least trying to make the S or LB there pause. Norton ran basically a banana pattern that was so obvious where it was going by his second step that assuming he had deep 1/3 beside him by the corner, the SS had no reason not to just break hard and undercut that "route."

Maybe that pick happens anyway, but I'd say if the design was to run the route like that against a defense that runs a metric **** ton of deep thirds with a S or Cash or whatever they hell they call their hybrid in a zone in the flat, that's terrible, terrible offensive scheming.
 

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I'll also add that maybe it didn't matter, but the pick 6 against Iowa included arguably the worst out route I've ever seen by Norton. If you're running an option route, or at least one that's supposed to look like an option route, you are at the very least trying to make the S or LB there pause. Norton ran basically a banana pattern that was so obvious where it was going by his second step that assuming he had deep 1/3 beside him by the corner, the SS had no reason not to just break hard and undercut that "route."

Maybe that pick happens anyway, but I'd say if the design was to run the route like that against a defense that runs a metric **** ton of deep thirds with a S or Cash or whatever they hell they call their hybrid in a zone in the flat, that's terrible, terrible offensive scheming.

It’s impossible for us to know what happened there, I think everyone got that play wrong. It appeared that was the option and Rocco locked it in and threw it in about .2 seconds. The play hadn’t even gotten close to optimal development when the ball came out.
 

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I'll also add that maybe it didn't matter, but the pick 6 against Iowa included arguably the worst out route I've ever seen by Norton. If you're running an option route, or at least one that's supposed to look like an option route, you are at the very least trying to make the S or LB there pause. Norton ran basically a banana pattern that was so obvious where it was going by his second step that assuming he had deep 1/3 beside him by the corner, the SS had no reason not to just break hard and undercut that "route."

Maybe that pick happens anyway, but I'd say if the design was to run the route like that against a defense that runs a metric **** ton of deep thirds with a S or Cash or whatever they hell they call their hybrid in a zone in the flat, that's terrible, terrible offensive scheming.

Yeah, after I went back and watched that I completely absolved Rocco of any responsibility because Norton is so far from where he needs to be that I can't tell what should have happened and judging by the other evidence we've been given by Rocco, I tend to think that may have been a good play. It's at least not a pick 6 if he runs the route right and based on the angle the defender would have had, I don't think it's a pick at all.
 
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It’s impossible for us to know what happened there, I think everyone got that play wrong. It appeared that was the option and Rocco locked it in and threw it in about .2 seconds. The play hadn’t even gotten close to optimal development when the ball came out.
I can tell you for sure that if the Banana Out exists, it's only in our playbook. Rocco was definitely looking for an out there and a corner route, based on everything else going on, would have been an insane thing to do, which I suppose is possible.
 

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I’m not down. I’m frustrated.

Maybe I’m too optimistic, but I don’t see rot yet
Just a decent football team with bad coaching on offense.

Campbell has a low potential strategy on offense, and even worse, is a bad tactician on executing that strategy. We clearly don’t teach the details needed at a high enough level, when trying to implement an offense that depends on winning margins on a handful of plays
This is not a decent fb team. Where in the world are you getting that? They aren't well coached and they aren't very talented.