6th Man

[Clonefan32]

I really don't want to gatekeep "Hilton Magic", but I would agree last night is what it's all about. There's a difference between it being a hard place to play and the fact that weird **** happens in big games when the fans just seem to will a team to victory.

The OU comeback in 2015. Mike Gessell missing the free throws in 2013. Keaton Page's missed FT and Naz's game tying shot in 2014. The Iowa comeback and Monte's game winner in 2015 against Iowa. **** that just doesn't make sense.

 

[VeloClone]

The worst is the physicality allowed on rebounds. That's not just Houston either, its the whole conference. Constant shoves in the back, hacking arms even when a player has the ball. It's just a scrum 50% of the time. Anything goes. On that possession where Cenac grabbed 3 straight offensive rebounds, for the second one, he put his elbow right into Toure's back and basically pushed him to the floor. Then a few posession later Lipsey went to block out Flagler, then Flager jumped on his back, fell down and they called a foul on Tamin. WTF are we doing?

I agree on the physicality during rebounds. I don't mind the physicality but it needs to be "clean" if that makes any sense - and the same physicality has to be called the same at both ends.

One thing that I am seeing more and more of this year and last is the way people are setting screens. They will set a legal screen and then when their player with the ball starts to drive - whether they use the screen or reject it - they will shove the person they screened in the back so that the are pushed into the dribbler. It generally results on a foul called on the defender at least a couple of times a game while the initial shove pretty much never gets called. If I were a coach, I would be in the ear of the official (politely) the first time I see that shove, and I would point it out every time. You may not get the call, but hopefully your defender won't get called for the contact created by the shove either.

I have to say though, I thought there were misses but the officials, to their credit, set the tone and generally stuck to it. With these two physical teams playing this could have ended up a complete foul fest mess, but they let them play without the game getting (too much) out of hand. That is a pretty fine line that they negotiated pretty well. I was breathing a sigh of relief when I saw at the beginning of the game that there was no Tony Padilla.

 

[CyHans]

I don't mean to sound elitist / "things were better when I was a student", but "Hilton Magic" has gotten overused. As is usually the case with such things, the term has gotten adopted as a marketing term and now every time ISU plays at home and the crowd is loud, it's Hilton Magic according to the broadcast. HM is a rare, uncommon thing, it's hard to define, more of a "You know it when you see it" type of thing. Down 10 against #2 Houston with 7:00 to go and you somehow hold them to four points for the rest of the game and Heise and Batemon hit several stone-cold threes to win by three while the team can't manage better than a coin-flip on free throws, that's a little HM for sure.

Blowing KU's doors off by 18 and being up 20+ for most of the game, no HM there if you ask me, that's just a good old-fashioned belt-to-ass, no magic needed.

I agree that Hilton Magic doesn't really have the same meaning anymore. My thoughts are that we have built a culture of consistent winning (not counting Prohm's last season) and HM isn't why we beat the best teams in the league/country at home, it's because we are now one of the best teams in the league/country.

 

[VeloClone]

I really don't want to gatekeep "Hilton Magic", but I would agree last night is what it's all about. There's a difference between it being a hard place to play and the fact that weird **** happens in big games when the fans just seem to will a team to victory.

The OU comeback in 2015. Mike Gessell missing the free throws in 2013. Keaton Page's missed FT and Naz's game tying shot in 2014. The Iowa comeback and Monte's game winner in 2015 against Iowa. **** that just doesn't make sense.

Don't forget Darwyn Alexander (80%+ FT shooter) missing both foul shots at the end of a 1 point OT game. Although you can probably chalk that one up to "ball don't lie" since he changed direction and jumped sideways into the defender. It was a charge if it was anything.

 

[CyHans]

Houston fans are saying our 6th man were the refs.

I'm sure they are referring to the kicked ball that wasn't a kick. We then hit a 3 so that was a huge sequence for us and they got screwed. However.... I would say they got away with ALOT of physical play where they pushed and hacked and it was never called. I would have to say that the refs allowed it and we benefitted at times but there were just some open mouth palm to the forehead no calls in their favor.

 

[isucyfan]

Everyone should watch that field of 68 video.

I stayed up and watched it live last night and it was great. Interviewed Tamin/Jefferson and then Heise/Milan, finishing up with TJ. Goodman got TJ out of "serious" mode a few times, which was great.

It was basically an hour and a half commercial on how great the team and Hilton is.

 

[rosshm16]

...I have to say though, I thought there were misses but the officials, to their credit, set the tone and generally stuck to it. With these two physical teams playing this could have ended up a complete foul fest mess, but they let them play without the game getting (too much) out of hand. That is a pretty fine line that they negotiated pretty well. I was breathing a sigh of relief when I saw at the beginning of the game that there was no Tony Padilla.

This is all I really ask for, the consistency within a single game at least. Don't change the rules partway on what's a foul and what isn't.

 

[CySmurf]

I agree on the physicality during rebounds. I don't mind the physicality but it needs to be "clean" if that makes any sense - and the same physicality has to be called the same at both ends.

One thing that I am seeing more and more of this year and last is the way people are setting screens. They will set a legal screen and then when their player with the ball starts to drive - whether they use the screen or reject it - they will shove the person they screened in the back so that the are pushed into the dribbler. It generally results on a foul called on the defender at least a couple of times a game while the initial shove pretty much never gets called. If I were a coach, I would be in the ear of the official (politely) the first time I see that shove, and I would point it out every time. You may not get the call, but hopefully your defender won't get called for the contact created by the shove either.

I have to say though, I thought there were misses but the officials, to their credit, set the tone and generally stuck to it. With these two physical teams playing this could have ended up a complete foul fest mess, but they let them play without the game getting (too much) out of hand. That is a pretty fine line that they negotiated pretty well. I was breathing a sigh of relief when I saw at the beginning of the game that there was no Tony Padilla.

Sharp kinda lost is s*** in the 2nd half...Sampson sitting him as long as he did I think benefitted us a lot.