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***2025 PGA Tour Thread***

cyclones122 said:
Four years ago, the USA won 19-9. Europe evaluated what they were doing and made changes. They have since won both Ryder Cups, and without a furious American charge today, won both convincingly. Team USA needs to self evaluate and figure out what it will take to win. Being down 4-0 out of the gate in 2023 and a lip out from being down 4-0 this time HAS to change. Can't just continue doing the same thing and expect different results.
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I keep seeing people say this and I don't know what it means. What could have been done differently to avoid this? Really the only guy that may have made a difference from a team selection standpoint was Keegan.

I think our Ryder Cup issues just comes down to the makeup of our golfers. Europe has a bunch of dudes that are just tough as nails out there. They love the competition. We have a bunch of guys who have made careers out of a bunch of top 20s, compiling FedEx points, wearing about 35 sponsors on their outfits, etc. They just don't have the mental makeup of Lowry, Fleetwood, Rose, Hatton, etc., and I'm just not sure what you can do to change that.

Long story short-- our "good golfers" got worse of the last 2 years. Morikawa, Xander, Cantlay, Koepka, DJ, etc. all got worse. We just don't have good enough golfers at the moment.
 
I actually agree with the envelope thing.

It’s been used three times ever now.

Hovland couldn’t go Saturday afternoon either big difference being there were players to replace him and I believe they won a full point.
 
Koepka and DJ taking the big checks and falling off the face of the earth is the biggest thing that's hurt us. Also, Patrick Reed is what he is but dude always showed up at the Ryder Cup.
 
1UNI2ISU said:
Koepka and DJ taking the big checks and falling off the face of the earth is the biggest thing that's hurt us. Also, Patrick Reed is what he is but dude always showed up at the Ryder Cup.
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I believe Reed thought he was going to get picked if you can believe that.

Going to play in the beer league is really going to affect your chances.
 
Rural said:
I believe Reed thought he was going to get picked if you can believe that.

Going to play in the beer league is really going to affect your chances.
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Well that and being a cheating a-hole no one wants to be around. Both scenarios hurt his chances.
 
Clonefan32 said:
I keep seeing people say this and I don't know what it means. What could have been done differently to avoid this? Really the only guy that may have made a difference from a team selection standpoint was Keegan.

I think our Ryder Cup issues just comes down to the makeup of our golfers. Europe has a bunch of dudes that are just tough as nails out there. They love the competition. We have a bunch of guys who have made careers out of a bunch of top 20s, compiling FedEx points, wearing about 35 sponsors on their outfits, etc. They just don't have the mental makeup of Lowry, Fleetwood, Rose, Hatton, etc., and I'm just not sure what you can do to change that.

Long story short-- our "good golfers" got worse of the last 2 years. Morikawa, Xander, Cantlay, Koepka, DJ, etc. all got worse. We just don't have good enough golfers at the moment.
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I mean this isn't necessarily true though is it? We're just going to pretend like the US team isn't full of dudes who win majors and other big tournaments with some regularity? Plenty of guys who have come up big in massive moments throughout their careers and recent history. Or giving more credit to guys like Lowry/Hatton that you mentioned who haven't won individual tournaments outside of the European tour in 5+ years.

Personally I don't know how much more you can change from the team selection side other than I don't think Morikawa should have been on the team. The bigger issue for US team was pairings and general strategy on Friday/Saturday. Keegan just botched it in several regards there. But truthfully he should have never been captain. Would have been Mickelson before all the LIV drama and infighting. Would have helped in multiple ways, better decision making from the captain, Keegan probably woudl have been on the team, etc.

Also just seemed like from a team personality and style of play, US group of players are built to suceed better in those 1-on-1 matchups rather than team play.
 
Rural said:
I actually agree with the envelope thing.

It’s been used three times ever now.

Hovland couldn’t go Saturday afternoon either big difference being there were players to replace him and I believe they won a full point.
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Everything has to be made into a big deal and "fixed". The injury thing is such a non-issue, nobody is trying to game anything with it, both teams agree to it, winning because someone on the other team got hurt would be lame anyways.
 
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cycloneman003 said:
I mean this isn't necessarily true though is it? We're just going to pretend like the US team isn't full of dudes who win majors and other big tournaments with some regularity? Plenty of guys who have come up big in massive moments throughout their careers and recent history. Or giving more credit to guys like Lowry/Hatton that you mentioned who haven't won individual tournaments outside of the European tour in 5+ years.

Personally I don't know how much more you can change from the team selection side other than I don't think Morikawa should have been on the team. The bigger issue for US team was pairings and general strategy on Friday/Saturday. Keegan just botched it in several regards there. But truthfully he should have never been captain. Would have been Mickelson before all the LIV drama and infighting. Would have helped in multiple ways, better decision making from the captain, Keegan probably woudl have been on the team, etc.

Also just seemed like from a team personality and style of play, US group of players are built to suceed better in those 1-on-1 matchups rather than team play.
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Yeah I had to laugh at that post a bit.

"...We have a bunch of guys who have made careers out of a bunch of top 20s, compiling FedEx points, wearing about 35 sponsors on their outfits, etc. They just don't have the mental makeup of Lowry, Fleetwood, Rose, Hatton, etc.,"

Ummm, Lowry, Fleetwood, Rose, Hatton, etc. are literally no different than any of the US guys. Like, not in any way. Well, except they don't really win a lot of majors.

LOL it is even sillier when I type it out. Scottie is largely considered the most mentally tough golfer of this generation. Absolute nails in crunch time. Guys like Bryson, Xander, Collin M., - multiple majors with absolute ICE in their veins on Sunday.
 
I disagreed with the Thomas and Morikawa picks. I’ll eat crow on Thomas, but I was proven right with Morikawa. I disagree with the US strategy valuing experience over results. They’ve picked that way for two Ryder Cups now and it bit them in the butt. Cam Young had 0 experience and he was our best player. Griffin and Spaun played well too.

All that said, Europe is just better. McIlroy, Rahm, Hatton, Fleetwood, Hovland, and Aberg are all top 10 players in the world imo. Lowry, Rose, and McIntyre all had good years and Straka is very consistent. We trotted out Morikawa, Thomas, Sam Burns, and even Patrick Cantlay all who had sub-par years. Our guys simply were not better than Europe.
 
SolterraCyclone said:
I disagreed with the Thomas and Morikawa picks. I’ll eat crow on Thomas, but I was proven right with Morikawa. I disagree with the US strategy valuing experience over results. They’ve picked that way for two Ryder Cups now and it bit them in the butt. Cam Young had 0 experience and he was our best player. Griffin and Spaun played well too.

All that said, Europe is just better. McIlroy, Rahm, Hatton, Fleetwood, Hovland, and Aberg are all top 10 players in the world imo. Lowry, Rose, and McIntyre all had good years and Straka is very consistent. We trotted out Morikawa, Thomas, Sam Burns, and even Patrick Cantlay all who had sub-par years. Our guys simply were not better than Europe.
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JT was good last rider cup so I get the pick. Morikawa was definitely a head scratcher.
 
I think my only analysis from this is that if you continually get killed in team matches and only win singles, that means your opponents are better at playing as a team than you are. You may have better athletes, but not better cohesion.
 
Also, forgot to mention before to add to the Keegan bashing. He admitted himself that he absolutely ****** up the course set up. As captain he got to dictate that and complete failed there as well. The course was far to easy and forgiving.
 
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CHim said:
I saw an article this morning that the MC on the first hole started an F U Rory chant. That's terrible to have someone associated with the event leading that crap. People are getting carried away with Happy Gilmore and treating actual golf like the movie. The Waste Management Open used to look fun but it looks pretty out of control now. Ryder Cup seems to be trending that way and it is apparently endorsed by the US organizers. I can't think of any other sport that treats competitors like that.
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Other sports with similar fans: Roller Derby-Pro Rassling
 
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That's what an L looks like.
 
The course set up was weird it’s like the bomb and gouge mentality is a really hard thing to shake.

The 12 American players going in averaged four tenths of a yard longer than the Euros off the tee.
 
And that’s after making a big deal about getting them to play Napa.
 
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