2023-2024 MBB computer projections thread

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NET, as of Nov. 15 Past and future opponents. (Via CBS Sports; NCAA.com doesn’t have listing yet for 2023-24).

Obviously a lot can/will change by the time of tournament and beyond.

25 Iowa State

252 Idaho State
338 Lindenwood
361 Green Bay

186 Grambling

ESPN Events (arranged by bracket placement)
54 VCU
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34 Boise State
75 Virginia Tech
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13 FAU
28 Texas A&M
41 Penn State
125 Butler

155 (at) DePaul
38 Iowa

Big 12, as of Nov. 15
1 Houston
7 Texas
9 Kansas
17 Baylor
19 Kansas State
24 West Virginia
25 Iowa State
27 TCU
42 Oklahoma State
62 Texas Tech
63 Cincinnati
66 UCF
70 Oklahoma
84 BYU

I can't find it but where does the B12 stack up against other conferences?

I'm guessing they're #1 again.
 

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I think this is what you call a bad take

That's far from a bad take. It's actually pretty defensible when you think about it.

The closest things to a true, dominant post presence the Big 12 has had in several years was when Embiid was at KU. Then you have guys like Wilson, Niang, and Ellis that were REALLY good in the post. But with his offense and rebounding the only player who can truly match Dickinson's dominance is Embiid.

In general our bigs have shown a tendency to be in constant foul trouble. Ward and King especially can pick up some really stupid fouls. It's early but Biliew has been a foul machine. In watching KU/Dickinson the strongest defense is before he gets the ball. If you want to limit his impact it starts with defending the pick and roll and playing really strong denial defense down low. Problem there is BRE is probably the best denial defender we have but has proven (in previous years) to not have the footwork to match guys like Wilson that can move in the post. Is he quick enough (with improved footwork) to keep up? Can someone like Ward, who I personally feel could be the best defender, stay out of foul trouble? What makes Dickinson so lethal is that he is adept EVERYWHERE on the offensive end. He can shoot the 3. He's great at the pick and roll. He's great in the post. And he's probably the best and most comfortable post player at receiving his entries over the defender. Front him too hard? He'll simply take a pass over the defender and lay it in.

We are better equipped to handle him this year (compared to last) but he's a matchup problem for everyone. With that said the Kentucky game showed you can actually outrun KU but you need good shot selection. This is one game where C. Jones HAS to know his limitations. Kentucky didn't and literally bad shot themselves into a loss.

I think we will be a great ******* team and the game is at home. It's winnable. But I can also admit it's not a terrible take to say Dickinson is a problem and that we might have foul trouble. Our history and own personnel (team fouls and individual fouls) tells us as much.
 

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As far as preserving Big XII hoops dominance, the SEC really worries me. They seem to be investing more and more into basketball and are getting some results. I think they understand how valuable it is to the long-term value of a conference and they have the $$$ to be the cream of the crop if they want to be.
 
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I can't find it but where does the B12 stack up against other conferences?

I'm guessing they're #1 again.
NCAA allows sorting of NET by conference, although it doesn't provide overall NET ranking by conference. Not sure when the site will update with 23-24, still defaults to 22-23 season.

Informal scan of the list tells me B12 is at the top. I think Big 12 and Big Ten are only leagues with every team in top 100, and the bulk of Big Ten is in the 30 to 50 range. Big East, SEC and have quite a few with high rank, but at least a couple of teams each 101 or below. ACC has a ton of dead weight at the bottom.
 

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NET, as of Nov. 15 Past and future opponents. (Via CBS Sports; NCAA.com doesn’t have listing yet for 2023-24).

Obviously a lot can/will change by the time of tournament and beyond.

25 Iowa State

252 Idaho State
338 Lindenwood
361 Green Bay

186 Grambling

ESPN Events (arranged by bracket placement)
54 VCU
***
34 Boise State
75 Virginia Tech
***
13 FAU
28 Texas A&M
41 Penn State
125 Butler

155 (at) DePaul
38 Iowa

Big 12, as of Nov. 15
1 Houston
7 Texas
9 Kansas
17 Baylor
19 Kansas State
24 West Virginia
25 Iowa State
27 TCU
42 Oklahoma State
62 Texas Tech
63 Cincinnati
66 UCF
70 Oklahoma
84 BYU

This is a good visual to highlight the randomness of scheduling the cupcake portion of the non-con. How can anyone know that Idaho St would be above 200 and Grambling would be below 200? Feel like it’s just a crapshoot and obviously have to work through all of the scheduling challenges.
 
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NET, as of Nov. 15 Past and future opponents. (Via CBS Sports; NCAA.com doesn’t have listing yet for 2023-24).

Obviously a lot can/will change by the time of tournament and beyond.

25 Iowa State

252 Idaho State
338 Lindenwood
361 Green Bay

186 Grambling

ESPN Events (arranged by bracket placement)
54 VCU
***
34 Boise State
75 Virginia Tech
***
13 FAU
28 Texas A&M
41 Penn State
125 Butler

155 (at) DePaul
38 Iowa

Big 12, as of Nov. 15
1 Houston
7 Texas
9 Kansas
17 Baylor
19 Kansas State
24 West Virginia
25 Iowa State
27 TCU
42 Oklahoma State
62 Texas Tech
63 Cincinnati
66 UCF
70 Oklahoma
84 BYU
Hate to ruin all your hard work... But NET isn't updated until January if I remember correctly.. NET ratings are from last year if you used this source: https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d1/ncaa-mens-basketball-net-rankings
 
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The player to watch for VCU is Utah St transfer Max Shulga. Was one of the Aggies best players last year on a NCAA tourney team and followed Odom to VCU. A big guard who is a good shooter and gets to the line at a solid clip. I would imagine KG draws this assignment.


Zeb Jackson is their starting PG who is stepping into a much bigger role this season. He's been a poor shooter and has had a disappointing college career after starting his career at Michigan as a consensus 4 star recruit.

Most of their bigs haven't played much college basketball. A major injury right now for VCU is Utah St transfer Sean Bairstow. He was projected to be their best player along with Shulga. Bairstow is out 6-8 weeks with a non-contact foot injury.
 
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Hate to ruin all your hard work... But NET isn't updated until January if I remember correctly.. NET ratings are from last year if you used this source: https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d1/ncaa-mens-basketball-net-rankings
OK, thanks. I hadn't compared what's on CBS to NCAA's ... I got there via web search. I was wondering why CBS would have it but not NCAA. I probably should delete my initial post to avoid any confusion.

Also thought it odd ISU would be that high (and least now).
 

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The player to watch for VCU is Utah St transfer Max Shulga. Was one of the Aggies best players last year on a NCAA tourney team and followed Odom to VCU. A big guard who is a good shooter and gets to the line at a solid clip. I would imagine KG draws this assignment.


Zeb Jackson is their starting PG who is stepping into a much bigger role this season. He's been a poor shooter and has had a disappointing college career after starting his career at Michigan as a consensus 4 star recruit.

Most of their bigs haven't played much college basketball. A major injury right now for VCU is Utah St transfer Sean Bairstow. He was projected to be their best player along with Shulga. Bairstow is out 6-8 weeks with a non-contact foot injury.

Gilbert would have faced him as a conference foe the past few years.
 
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They faced off twice last year, Shulga scored 9pts on 1-3 shooting the first game, and 19pts on 6-7 shooting in the second game. But he had a season high 5 turnovers in both games.

Shulga turns it over a decent amount. Has always had a higher turnover rate than you'd like to see. Obviously small sample size for this year but he's averaging 3 per game already.