.....Just when I thought it was trending back our way (after his three point G league game).
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Agree to disagree. May be a moot point cause both Holmes and Williams could be starting if Green doesn't come to ISU. What is an instigator? Is he trying to start fights?
He was pretty good at PG at Temple…on O and D…you couldn’t have seen him play..or that team for that matter..like 6 guys transferred down after this season because they weren’t good enough for the AAC..and he’s definitely a better defender than Holmes
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Watching them both play..and Synergy..the same thing the entire basketball world uses to ‘base’ things on
I think Williams is going to be better than some think. I also love that we get him for more than one year. I think he could develop very nicely.
What’s the ISU Bart Torvik rank if you start Williams, Green, Holmes compared to Green, Holmes, Gabe.
Some would say initiator. But I don’t see the offense being as good with Holmes defended as the primary ball handler, than it will be with Holmes (along with Green) exploiting the wing and off ball defenders once the pg initiated. Both those “combos” are guys that have the handle and scoring mindset to capitalize on a defense reacting more than they are facilitating and initiating the offense.
Which is good as the 3rd guard with Williams and Green, as Williams is not stuck having to do as much creating with the ball as Hunter.
Why make Holmes or Green worse, on defense and offense, just so you can add Gabe, a guard with poor handling, and poor shooting? Williams is a better defender than Holmes and will likely be asked to defend pgs. It’s either Gabe or Holmes imo.
Williams getting on ball screens (he’ll be good at PnR with Osun/Ward) or Williams-Kunc. Green will have to be covered. Defenses may risk Holmes being open or played off, but he’ll then go to work. “Good” Gabe will too
Watson at the 4 while King is out, with Kunc at 5, would be an interesting offense. Obviously green and Holmes will chip in on pg duties, but imo Holmes working against a set defense to pass to Gabe is inferior to Williams working against a set defense passing to Holmes imo
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Not very kind to Mr Kalscheur. Although, he is a Wisconsin fan.. Could btill be upset about what happened in Milwaukee.
TJ will figure it all out. He can Coach.
Neat. Logging off until next winter?
This is a discussion of what we think it’ll be when he figures it all out.
Hopefully when he does, it will be better than AdJO of 170.
I think the PG conversation comes down to what TJ/KG think AJG's ceiling is and what his feedback from NBA scouts is.
If the scouts think he needs to be a PG at the next level (no idea if that's the case or not), and TJ/KG think he can be a BigXII PG, then I could see them running with AJG at the point, backed up by Williams.
If the feedback is he needs to be a dominant wing - then I think Williams starts. I don't see Holmes as a PG at all.
Either way, I do think AJG has the ball in his hand a ton on offense - especially in PnR / late clock situations - so in some ways it almost doesn't matter who is the PG
Would have been great to add to Hunter-Green like initially planned.
I was at first tepid on a poor shooting pg when we had Hunter and a full spring ahead, thinking it mostly a move about 2023-24. I thought he could be an okay starter, but with Hunter that wouldn’t result in much pt.
But an athletic 6’5” pg with good defense and three years to play just too safe of bet to pass on.
I thought we would have gone after more pgs after Hunter left. We certainly had the role to sell. Ideally a pg that could shoot. The fact we didn’t says a lot about Williams
No, but for purposes of this conversation it was assumed. The PG / Guard alignment is much more straightforward if he's not here - and Lipsey / EKing will probably play 20 minutes a game (unless there's another transfer)
It could also say a lot about Green or Lipsey - but I do agree with you
Been some buzz today that Green is headed to Duke. Might be just pure speculation with Joey Baker leaving.
Green is on an official visit to Duke today - thus the buzz. Also he stated multiple times at the G-League combine that he's deciding between NBA, Duke and ISU
I’m guessing TJ’s plan is to go with whatever is best for the team. Given the plan was to add Green even before Hunter left, the staff seems okay with adding Green and letting the players do what they’re best suited to do in the Big 12.
I doubt the feedback of NBA scouts has any causation in terms of our rotation and play, although there could be correlation. If AJG needs to show something that he can’t do as well here as his teammates can, he won’t be here. I don’t know what role he’d play at Duke. Is it overlap with pg?
I personally think Williams is a better fit in that regard, as you’re saying. It likely to means AJG gets the best of both. He can be as much or as little of pg as his talent will allow. Although with Hunter, if AJG isn’t ready to be a Big 12 pg, you can more readily hide it. No one would ask why didn’t he play more pg when joining his dad to try and make a run in his last season - a lot of plausible deniability
Was it better Prohm left scouts guessing whether Wigginton could be a pg, rather than to show them he wasn’t? Or if Prohm forces LW at pg, does he get drafted and we’re better? I think the former.
Luckily, the staff-player discussion on that will be better this time
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