2022 Recruiting/Transfer Class

WhoISthis

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Just looking at numbers and limited highlights, it looks like Vander Plas would be a 4, or maybe 3, but never the 5. And Basile could be a 4 or 5, but never a 3.

I know some on here hate assigning positional numbers, but when we're talking about players we've never seen play regularly, it's a universal scale that gives an idea of what type of player we're talking about.
I assume you’re talking defense? I think BVP could defend some 5. Mostly 4s. I don’t see 3s, but could be wrong. There are a lot of low impact 5s he could defend.


On offense I don’t think it matters too much, but I’d guess he’s mostly a stretch 4. If defended by a big, he could function as another wing I think. But I thought the same about Enaruna, and we never really explored that. Which certainly could have several reasons other than offensive tactics.

I really like BVPs game. A better shooting, more skilled Jacobson in my view, who was a good athlete. Maybe a tad more fleet footed and 1” shorter
 
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I was ready join the gang and take a shot at Gabe and how TJ coached him ... so I went and looked at the last 10 games of the season:

TCU 7 shots 9 pts 3rd most shots for team
OK. 7 shots. 9 pts. 4th most shots for team
WV. 10 shots. 17 pts. 2nd most shots for team
KSU. 5 shots. 0 pts. Tied for 3rd most shots for team
OSU. 5 shots. 3 pts. 4th most shots for team
Baylor. 13 shots. 18 pts. Tied for 1st most shots for team
Texas Tech. 5 shots. 5 pts. 4th most shots for team
LSU. 7 shots. 4 pts. 4th most shots for team
WI. 19 shots. 22 pts 1st most shots for team
Miami. 16 shots. 13 pts. Tied for 1st most shots for team

So over the last 10 games, he averaged 9.4 shots, 10 points, and was the 2.7 (about 3rd) in shots per game for the team.

Over those 10 games, he had 4 games with an eFG% under 50%.

Over those same 10 games, it was either Kunc, Tyrese, IB, and Gill taking more shots than Gabe. For this group, they also had a number of games with eFG% under 50%:
- Kunc 2
- Tyrese. 5
- IB. 5
- Grill. 5
 

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I was ready join the gang and take a shot at Gabe and how TJ coached him ... so I went and looked at the last 10 games of the season:

TCU 7 shots 9 pts 3rd most shots for team
OK. 7 shots. 9 pts. 4th most shots for team
WV. 10 shots. 17 pts. 2nd most shots for team
KSU. 5 shots. 0 pts. Tied for 3rd most shots for team
OSU. 5 shots. 3 pts. 4th most shots for team
Baylor. 13 shots. 18 pts. Tied for 1st most shots for team
Texas Tech. 5 shots. 5 pts. 4th most shots for team
LSU. 7 shots. 4 pts. 4th most shots for team
WI. 19 shots. 22 pts 1st most shots for team
Miami. 16 shots. 13 pts. Tied for 1st most shots for team

So over the last 10 games, he averaged 9.4 shots, 10 points, and was the 2.7 (about 3rd) in shots per game for the team.

Over those 10 games, he had 4 games with an eFG% under 50%.

Over those same 10 games, it was either Kunc, Tyrese, IB, and Gill taking more shots than Gabe. For this group, they also had a number of games with eFG% under 50%:
- Kunc 2
- Tyrese. 5
- IB. 5
- Grill. 5
I thought Gabe was solid to good at the end of the year. He had a brutal stretch at the end of the non-conference season and the first half of Big 12 play. He was solid against LSU and good against Wisconsin. Struggled against Miami, but so did everyone else.
 

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I assume you’re talking defense? I think BVP could defend some 5. Mostly 4s. I don’t see 3s, but could be wrong. There are a lot of low impact 5s he could defend.


On offense I don’t think it matters too much, but I’d guess he’s mostly a stretch 4. If defended by a big, he could function as another wing I think. But I thought the same about Enaruna, and we never really explored that. Which certainly could have several reasons other than offensive tactics.

I really like BVPs game. A better shooting, more skilled Jacobson in my view, who was a good athlete. Maybe a tad more fleet footed and 1” shorter
Vander Plas gives me a Filip Rebraca vibe. Only my uninformed opinion, and likely completely unfair, but they're about the same size, and their numbers were pretty similar, against similar competition.

I'm not certain how Rebraca would have performed in TJ's system this year.

Having said that, I don't think TJ would go this far recruiting a guy like that, if he didn't think he'd fit.
 
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Just because we don't like a player doesn't mean we are bad fans. It drove me crazy watching him try to prove to everyone he was a good shooter all season. Players like him that have to feed their ego, and keep trying to prove themselves are the worst. If he would have just accepted the fact that he's a bad 3 point shooter, and stopped shooting unless he was wide open or it was late in the shot clock. Then he wouldn't irritate so many people. But his ego was more important than what's best for the team sadly.

This is some pretty unhinged **** right here. Go cheer for the hoks bro.
 

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I was ready join the gang and take a shot at Gabe and how TJ coached him ... so I went and looked at the last 10 games of the season:

TCU 7 shots 9 pts 3rd most shots for team
OK. 7 shots. 9 pts. 4th most shots for team
WV. 10 shots. 17 pts. 2nd most shots for team
KSU. 5 shots. 0 pts. Tied for 3rd most shots for team
OSU. 5 shots. 3 pts. 4th most shots for team
Baylor. 13 shots. 18 pts. Tied for 1st most shots for team
Texas Tech. 5 shots. 5 pts. 4th most shots for team
LSU. 7 shots. 4 pts. 4th most shots for team
WI. 19 shots. 22 pts 1st most shots for team
Miami. 16 shots. 13 pts. Tied for 1st most shots for team

So over the last 10 games, he averaged 9.4 shots, 10 points, and was the 2.7 (about 3rd) in shots per game for the team.

Over those 10 games, he had 4 games with an eFG% under 50%.

Over those same 10 games, it was either Kunc, Tyrese, IB, and Gill taking more shots than Gabe. For this group, they also had a number of games with eFG% under 50%:
- Kunc 2
- Tyrese. 5
- IB. 5
- Grill. 5
Not bad, especially considering that Brockington really struggled the last few games and that put more pressure on him to make up the difference.
 

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Vander Plas gives me a Filip Rebraca vibe. Only my uninformed opinion, and likely completely unfair, but they're about the same size, and their numbers were pretty similar, against similar competition.

I'm not certain how Rebraca would have performed in TJ's system this year.

Having said that, I don't think TJ would go this far recruiting a guy like that, if he didn't think he'd fit.
They’re roughly the same size and probably similar athletes. But their games don’t look similar based on YouTube cuts and stats imo.

They’re not similar 4s in my view.

-Vander Plas took more 3s last year (198) than Rebraca will in his career (currently 84). BVP 3PA rate is .55 compared to .119 at UND for Rebraca (dropped to .017 at Iowa). Despite this, BVP had a higher FT rate last year than Rebraca did at UND in 2020-21.

-Flip was a conventional post in a similar, but weaker conference than the MAC that used his size athleticism and high volume (29% usage) to make an impact. 21/24 FGA per 100 possessions were 2P FGA. Assist rate of 9%.

-BVP is a stretch 4 that had moderate volume (20%). 8/17 FGA per 100 possessions were 2P FGA. His assist rate was 18.7% and 17.1% last two years. True stretch 4 with maybe some a bit of play making. His OReb % very low given he’s playing away from the paint.

-Bart Torvik has BVP as wing F. Flip as PF/C. Despite that, BVP has more dunks (14 vs 5) and equitable close 2s. Flip was taking a lot of long twos at UND, whereas BVP either 3Ps or getting to the basket.

-Ohio was a good team the last two years. Comparable or better than many P6s two years ago, and still a few this year. UND in 2020-21 was far worse than 2-22 Iowa St by metrics

Flip did start on a Big 10 team in which volume was sparse after Murray and others. From what I see BVP is more talented and has more transferable skills Imo, so it’s not surprising he has many good programs after him
 
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He conveniently left out the fact that in those ten games he had 31 turnovers and 26 rebounds. He struggles in areas other than shooting.

Stop. Good grief. He literally carried us to more wins this year than we won in the entire season last year. He struggles in some areas and excels in others. Gabe led the team in charges drawn. That is not only a turnover for the other team, but also a foul on a player. Huge in terms of free throw bonus because of team fouls. Plus puts an opposing player in potential foul trouble. Huge statistic you ignore.
 

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This is some pretty unhinged **** right here. Go cheer for the hoks bro.
Gonna agree here. Like I'm not someone who says we need to be only positive about all things ISU or anything but assigning motives to players where there's no evidence of such and also is blatantly false based on TJ's coaching is way past the line of acceptability. If Gabe wasn't doing what he was supposed to he would have been on the bench.
 

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Either we stink at recruiting scoring guards or we are waiting to hear AJ Green's decision...

The success of IB, playing next to the Big 12's best PG and a top 10 PG in the country should mean a waiting list of combo guards wanting to play here.
 
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I think there is a difference between bagging on players and understanding Gabe's role HAS to change. Analytics haven't found a way to measure his incredible defensive skill. But you can also recognize the he was by far the biggest liability on our roster this past season when we have the basketball
Great topic for another thread
 
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Great topic for another thread

The bagging on players is happening in this thread. Needs to stop. Gabe has struggles in some things and is inconsistent. Some things he does well consistently. So quit talking about Gabe’s shortcomings and focus on the transfers and recruits coming in.
 

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