MLB: 2015 Minnesota Twins thread

[FDWxMan]

Im a baseball fan but never quite understood the "must have X years with the team" before they can be traded. Can someone explain that to me.

Unless I'm misunderstanding something here, that's not a rule. Do you have an example of the situation that you're talking about?

*EDIT: You can't trade anyone that was a draftee within the past year. Since trading draft picks (before they are made) is prohibited, this is just closing a loop hole of teams telling each other to draft so and so, and then trading for them.

 

[thatguy]

Im a baseball fan but never quite understood the "must have X years with the team" before they can be traded. Can someone explain that to me.

if you are referring to 10 and 5 rights its 10 years in the big leagues, 5 with the same team. Chase Utley was the case this year.

Also we are about to go 30 games over .500. Its fun being much much much better than everyone in your division.

 

[Mtowncyclone13]

Unless I'm misunderstanding something here, that's not a rule. Do you have an example of the situation that you're talking about?

*EDIT: You can't trade anyone that was a draftee within the past year. Since trading draft picks (before they are made) is prohibited, this is just closing a loop hole of teams telling each other to draft so and so, and then trading for them.

It's the 6 year minimum rule to be a free agent. Less than 6 years and you must sign with the team that drafted you.

 

[thatguy]

It's the 6 year minimum rule to be a free agent. Less than 6 years and you must sign with the team that drafted you.

this is correct, i read the original question wrong. was really here to just talk AL Central Smack!

 

[FDWxMan]

It's the 6 year minimum rule to be a free agent. Less than 6 years and you must sign with the team that drafted you.

Oh ok. I see. Earlier you said can't be traded. Guys can be traded in that time frame, but you're right, the period to earn free agency is a bit longer than in other sports.

Now, you can get "free agency" if a team runs out of minor league options on you. Then they must release you to waivers. If you clear waivers then you can sign where you wish.

May happen next spring with Arcia. Twins can't send him to the minors again next year.

Im a baseball fan but never quite understood the "must have X years with the team" before they can be traded. Can someone explain that to me.

 

[FDWxMan]

Also, the last 3 years before hitting free agency you get salary arbitration. A team can refuse arbitration on a player, and not offer a contract, in which case they would hit the market early.

 

[mj4cy]

If the Twins win one more game, they will have tied their highest amount of wins in a season for the last 4 years. And we still have another month of baseball. Love seeing the improvement, but at this point there is no reason they shouldn't be having the goal of making the playoffs.

 

[jcyclonee]

Luis Tiant sighting at Boston game this afternoon. Made me smile. Only a Twin for one season but who doesn't like Luis?

Anybody that smokes a cigar in the shower is alright with me.

 

[mj4cy]

Perkins out indefinitely.....

 

[jcyclonee]

Can we just assume that a Twins rookie will hit a home run every game the rest of the year?

 

[mj4cy]

Up 4-2. A sweep would be HUGE as we have 6 coming up against Houston and KC (3 years ago I would have killed for 6 games against those two teams)

 

[MNclone]

Up 4-2. A sweep would be HUGE as we have 6 coming up against Houston and KC (3 years ago I would have killed for 6 games against those two teams)

Sure would be nice if the rangers actually lost a game.

 

[FDWxMan]

Twins get Fien'd today in yet another "one-batter-too-late" call to the bullpen, quickly becoming one of Molitor's signature moves.

Ugh. At least Texas won't win today.

 

[MNclone]

Twins get Fien'd today in yet another "one-batter-too-late" call to the bullpen, quickly becoming one of Molitor's signature moves.

Ugh. At least Texas won't win today.

Notice the difference between the bullpens today? Twins pen gave up the lead and worked out of jams every inning. CWS came in and dominated.

 

[roundball]

Serious question: if Hughes comes back this year, do they bump Santana from the rotation?

 

[FDWxMan]

Serious question: if Hughes comes back this year, do they bump Santana from the rotation?

Lol. No.

15 IP, 0.60 ERA, 21 K in his last 2 starts for Santana.

Pelfrey is on the chopping block and any conversation that doesn't start and end with Pelfrey is mind boggling. Pelfrey hasn't completed 5 innings in any of his last three starts, with a 10.22 ERAm 2.19 WHIP.

3 starts in his last 6 that have been 4 innings or less.

Laughable.

Thankfully, Darnell was called up and already lined up to start on Pelfrey's days, and they are lining up Hughes's simulated start with Pelfrey to get them on the same start day schedule.

 

[FDWxMan]

Massive win last night...have to finish this road trip strong and keep at least treading water with Texas so they are in position to try and pounce when Texas goes to Houston for 4 next week.

 

[roundball]

Lol. No.

15 IP, 0.60 ERA, 21 K in his last 2 starts for Santana.

Pelfrey is on the chopping block and any conversation that doesn't start and end with Pelfrey is mind boggling. Pelfrey hasn't completed 5 innings in any of his last three starts, with a 10.22 ERAm 2.19 WHIP.

3 starts in his last 6 that have been 4 innings or less.

Laughable.

Thankfully, Darnell was called up and already lined up to start on Pelfrey's days, and they are lining up Hughes's simulated start with Pelfrey to get them on the same start day schedule.

It's pretty myopic to make those judgments based on the last 2-3 starts, isn't it? If you look at the 2-3 starts before then, the story's almost reversed.

I don't like Pelfrey either, but I wouldn't say Santana's indisputably pitched better than him. Stylistically, they're worlds apart (Santana's a strikeout pitcher while Pelfrey induces a lot of grounders), but their results are comparable...Pelfrey on the left, Santana on the right, August splits in parentheses:

ERA - 4.17 (3.62) / 4.93 (7.11)
WHIP - 1.46 (1.39) / 1.41 (1.77)
OPS - .758 (.698) / .789 (.958)

I'll give you that Santana's last two starts have been better than Pelfrey's, but go back beyond that and you're looking at some real clunkers...like, failing to get out of the third inning clunkers. Santana's given up 5+ earned runs in 5 of his 12 starts...Pelfrey's only done that 3 times all year, and he's pitched 14 more games than Santana has (and given that Pelfrey followed Nolasco in the rotation for the first 2 months of the season, he was often pitching without many bullpen arms available).

 

[J-Diggy]

So....what will it take to secure the wild card. I think there are 25 games left or so. Does 15-10 get it done? That would be 86 wins. Might take one or two more than that IMO but it will be close.

 

[FDWxMan]

It's pretty myopic to make those judgments based on the last 2-3 starts, isn't it? If you look at the 2-3 starts before then, the story's almost reversed.

I don't like Pelfrey either, but I wouldn't say Santana's indisputably pitched better than him. Stylistically, they're worlds apart (Santana's a strikeout pitcher while Pelfrey induces a lot of grounders), but their results are comparable...Pelfrey on the left, Santana on the right, August splits in parentheses:

ERA - 4.17 (3.62) / 4.93 (7.11)
WHIP - 1.46 (1.39) / 1.41 (1.77)
OPS - .758 (.698) / .789 (.958)

I'll give you that Santana's last two starts have been better than Pelfrey's, but go back beyond that and you're looking at some real clunkers...like, failing to get out of the third inning clunkers. Santana's given up 5+ earned runs in 5 of his 12 starts...Pelfrey's only done that 3 times all year, and he's pitched 14 more games than Santana has (and given that Pelfrey followed Nolasco in the rotation for the first 2 months of the season, he was often pitching without many bullpen arms available).

Santana was pretty good or at least decent through his first 4 starts as well (2.60 era in that stretch).

As far as Pelf's overall numbers, I don't really think the weight of Pelfrey's April and May starts have any relevance anymore with 3 months of more recent and more terrible results (5.76 ERA for Pelfrey over the last three calendar months, when the wheels fell off).

I'm also swayed by the fact that Santana actually has a track record of being a decent pitcher, way above anything Pelfrey has. Evidence suggests Neil Allen did identify some mechanical issue after putting him through SS drills prior to the first of his 2 sparkling starts against Houston. Maybe it will be a fluke, we'll see.

But most importantly, with as shaky as the bullpen is, we don't need a guy that has failed to finish 5 innings in 4 of his last 6 starts, not even getting out of the fourth 3 times. That's what makes me most queasy with Pelfrey.

Then again, I'm not sure how round and round we want to go on this, as it's not like Hughes was exactly lighting it up either.