Captain America was doomed long before its release. Way too many rewrites and issues with the story
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I feel like I already know what happens too. They showed the president becoming red hulk in the trailer?!
I just have a hard time buying Sam as Captain America. It’s nothing to do with the character, and I love Anthony Mackie as an actor. My biggest problem is the previous saga of movies established him as one of if not the weakest and most useless Avengers. Now he’s carrying the mantle of arguably the most important Avenger? It just doesn’t work, and it didn’t work in the comics either.
The line about Sam suing for copyright infringement for the use of the Avengers name especially cracked me up when you could argue he’s a pretty illegitimate Cap.
Daredevil was solid. Couldn’t get into Agatha. Loved Deadpool 3 - a proper summer blockbuster. And no, the “writing” and plot whatever isn’t ‘great’ but you can tell the actors went balls-out and the very purposeful (and constant) nostalgia bate was awesome. The Marvels was fine. Pretty fun. Certainly no ‘worse’ or convoluted as a movie than Thor 2, Iron Man 3, Hulk 1, etc.
After Endgame - Black Panther 2, GOTG 3, and Dr. Strange 2 - all fantastic, and absolutely belong in the upper half of MCU films. It still makes me laugh how people forget there were most definitely mid MCU films pre-Endgame. Like some really stupid stuff.
Thunderbolts was really good. I got emotional. I’m disappointed though to find out they cut key scenes, like showing the shame rooms for Walker, Ghost, and Red Guardian. The justification for doing so didn’t make any sense. The film needed to see each character in their shame room, ideally multiple rooms. Even if just for 30-45 seconds. And the Taskmasker thing should have been handled better. I’m fine with her dying right away but that should have eaten at Ghost the rest of the film, as she’s coming around to the idea of being a hero, there should have been some regret there, maybe even a shame room for 15 seconds re-living that kill. The deleted scenes/ideas keep it from being a great superhero film, IMHO. Pugh though is other-wordly. She needs to be the face of the MCU. She goes all-out. Might honestly be one or the best potrayals of any MCU character ever. Goodness she is elite.
Captain America 4 - apologies, don’t mean to be a d*ck but - the reshoots. Lol! Many, many films go through reshoots. It is extremely common. Especially with but studios and lots of execs getting in the way. Even really good films have reshoots. Action films and non-action films. There were rumors that Infinity War had significant reshoots. You’ll never convince me that this “reshoots” narrative for CA4 didn’t sabotage the film, hell maybe even purposefully - which was f*cking constant for a year - “ahhh more reshoots for Captain America! It’s going to be terrible, ya know, because of the reshoots!!! They totally changed the script again! Marvel is cooked! See! See!” The movie was entertaining. Certainly not great, but entertaining. And Harrison played the role well, Anthony Mac was great as usual, and the CGI/action was really good. Goodness, the YouTubers had to make a killing though on “reshoots” related content in 2024. When in doubt, scream “reshoots” and post a headline how the MCU is doomed and just remind everyone that only AFTER Endgame did Marvel start to put out some mid content. Not before!
I’d be curious to understand the ways the films (and the Falcon and Winter Solider series) established Sam as the weakest and most useless Avenger.
Thought the series was mostly fine, seemed a bit rushed. That post credit scene felt like it invalidated her entire journey throughout the show.
I'm working through some other stuff on television right now, but will eventually get to Ironheart. Its kind of sad I'm not even looking forward to it at all, but hoping it proves me wrong.
I couldn't even make it through the very first episode. I found the main character (RiRi) to be unlikeable; immature, spoiled and entitled, and I feel that when you are trying to build a series around a secondary character from a movie that came out 2 and a half years ago now that it needs to be someone that the audience can cheer for. I didn't get that at all.
This being written I might be willing to give it another shot.
This and honestly it wasnt redeemed, not quite yet. The end was ok, better than I thought at least for action. I would have rather had her be Starks protege instead of a butt hurt "world is against me" type character. It didnt make much sense with her access to funding, tech, and allies (Wakandans) If youre gonna do that, you need a better written scenario.
For all of her altruistic goals she claims to have, she is incredibly selfish. That selfishness led her to making the bad choice again and again. Even at the end when you thought she might have gained just a measure of humility, she makes the worst possible choice imaginable. I suppose it is set up a redemption arc for a possible S2, but it felt more like this whole thing was a vehicle to introduce a very specific character.
I thought the Ironheart series was really good. Good acting, good suspense, good action, much more of a true "episode" show than some of the other shows that seem to be 'moves' that they try to break into bite sizes. The CGI that everyone b*tches about now was fantastic. Particularly the transitions of her getting in and out of the suit, even when falling or landing suddenly.
Not all characters get a happy ending or make the 'right' (or 'good') decisions. Not all main characters are supposed to be likeable. Riri was certainly quite annoying at times. I am glad they ended it the way they did. She's always been selfish and absolutely is a derivative of Tony Stark (which isn't a bad thing) in the way that not only she thinks she has to make all the decisions, but she's doing it because she thinks she's the only one capable of it, she's the only one that "gets it", and she unknowingly treats others like garbage in the process, and uses others for her own gain. That was quite a twist at the end, and SBC was perfect in his brief appearance. I doubt Riri or [Bad guy] are "side characters" anymore, as the show - IMHO - clearly establishes they are important to this next phase.
I also appreciated the attempt at blending the weird worlds of "totally unrealistic science" with "magic". They have been avoiding doing that for years, which doesn't make any sense in a universe where literally everyone knows this sh*t exists.
Oh and her new suit was bada**. Loved the Bulls colors!
They'll dump characters like a bad habit if the response is poor. They have their ultimate reset button on the horizon and they'll use it to excise everything from the future MCU that either didn't work or they don't have room for. We'll probably never get a Young Avengers story as they'll all be old Avengers by the time they find time for it.
The real feel of the suit is certainly something we haven't seen since the early Ironman days. I know the final suit's construction was supposed to mimic the building of the Mark I, but it felt a little too polished considering the time frame and resources they were working with.
Those two arent even in the same arena of actor charisma or writing. Tony was an arrogant playboy that had to take a massive punch to the ego to turn his character. He had to build his iron man suit in a cave and learn from the death of his "cell mate" about what is important in life. The way they wrote Riri for this series makes her hard to relate to. She kind of just an *******. They most likely will change that as the story goes on, but Im not going to hold my breath. Most of us who complain about recent marvel are probably drawn to the early MCU because of the heroes journey stuff. And maybe a tv series like this isnt moving that along enough in a visible way, I dunno.
I have seen a lot of this same type of reaction on Twitter. It makes me chuckle a bit that many find it "easier to relate to" a playboy genius billionaire that was literally handed everything in life on a silver platter, that was basically Batman except that he made powerful weapons for enemies instead of saving or caring about people in secret. And wasn't his character like in his late 30's or 40's in Iron Man 1? Ya know, like a grown ass adult?
Riri on the other hand is a kid from inner city Chicago. Wasn't handed anything. Has to watch the 2 most important people in her life get murdered right in front of her eyes at the age of 15. So as a genius 15 year old - finally gets some fortune - MIT! They established basically in every episode (and spent like a quarter of Wankana Forever) explaining how proficient she was at building suits. It is very clearly her life's passion and what she puts her brainpower into and has for 5 years straight. And she has all the knowledge from the MCU the last 15+ years, including access to elite MIT and Stark technology, and knowledge learned from Shuri. It would be silly to make her slowly fumble her way through suit builds at this point. Especially since everyone else is using nano suits. I am grateful they didn't do that with her.
Regarding the "heroes journey" - it would be very odd if there isn't a second season because - very clearly - she is not a hero (yet). She is in the very early stages of her 'journey' - right now, she's more focused on (and clearly prioritizing) her own ambitions vs. "saving" and helping others. This was a major theme of the show. She doesn't know 'anything' yet and like a lot of young idiots, thinks she does know everything. It bit her in the ass and will continue to. She hurt people in Season 1, even people she was close to, and hasn't really apologized for it. She's young and naïve. Which is why she arrogantly/selfishly made the decision she did at the end of Ep. 6. She's 20 years old in the show... of course she isn't charismatic.
Honestly the more I think about the show, I like it.
It’s just opinions. We all see it differently. It’s ok, I respect yours, you’re definitely passionate about this show, that’s great. I and others don’t feel the same. If there’s a season 2 then that means enough people cared. If not then it means the general audience felt otherwise.
